Our responses to claims of Holy Spirit Bapitisms.

I dont know what your talking about, the gifts of the Spirit as seen in the bible are real and for today, if your not blinded by the Baptist, that teach the Sign gifts died with the Apostles

As previously stated I received the gift of speaking in tongues 43 years ago, same today as then a fact

Baptist believe and teach that I'm a liar regarding my claim, like telling the blind man Healed by Jesus that he really isnt seeing

Yes the Pentecostals in the majority that I have personally witnessed, misuse the gift of speaking in tongues to mention only one, jumping and running around, rolling on the floor etc in complete chaos, the very reason why biblical instruction was written

Can you prove that a person is actually saved, their name is written in the Lambs book of life?

You can observe fruit as the bible clearly teaches, other than that, only one will be able to see the book of life, and lose the seals therof

Romans 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.



Fruits are the proof of Holy Spirit Baptism, which occurs when one is Born Again. These fruits are not tangible like apples and oranges either. If we turn a blind eye to everything spiritual, then we are in big trouble.

The post is about "modern day" claims not recorded biblical events.

How are we to respond to current claims of Holy Spirit Baptisms, regardless of who or where?
Do we err by accepting the claim as true or do we err by ignoring a possible movement of the Holy Spirit?
If the claim is false should it be exposed or if true, praised as a work of God?

Thanks for clarifying.

Here's a really simple, biblically sound way of discerning: by the fruit (as Magenta noted).

Otherwise, it's not our job to judge whether or not the "baptism" is genuine.

provable and logical

These verses do not validate a claim of personal Holy Spirit Baptism. You are reading yourself into the pronouns.

God's ways are higher than man's ways. We follow His ways irrespective of whether we think they are logical or not.

Galatians is written to the general assembly of churches in Galatia composed of believers in Christ such as myself.

Galatians 1:1-2
1Paul, an apostle, (not of men, neither by man, but by Jesus Christ, and God the Father, who raised him from the dead2And all the brethren which are with me, unto the churches of Galatia:

The operative word here is "in Christ" which would be me.

How are we baptized into Christ? Through faith in Christ. That's the Holy Spirit baptism.

Galatians 3:26-29
26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. 27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus. 29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

You don't seem to grasp the meaning of "claim" .

Is a simple claim of Holy Spirit Baptism proof of its validity?

None of your verses are addressing this question, can you not see this?

We are not called to a blind faith but a faith unseen but provable and logical. A faith that is reasonable and does not lead us into chaos.

Every believer is Holy Spirit baptized into Christ the moment they are saved. The multiple baptisms of the Pentecostal charismatic types are not valid because they are not scriptural.

For the cause of Chrisst
Roger

To be quite fair, your responses are a bit of a moving target. I respond to the last thing you said, rather than your initial question, then you bring up the initial question seemingly puzzled why I didn't specifically address it.
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Are you aware of gifts of the Holy Spirit, if yes, do you believe they still apply to Christians today? I believe they do. I know people who have healed by the laying on of hands, spoken in tongues, etc. God controls these gifts for His purposes, not the person.

My posts are rather straight forward, what is the proper response to claims of Holy Spirit Baptisms?
Should we simply label them as non sequitur or accept them as movements of God?

again a hateful ignorant comment by a person who has no understanding of the context of Baptism of the Holy Spirit which is a gift of empowerment not for salvation. Pentecostals don't believe in "Multiple baptisms". This is more conjecture from a hateful person.

Jesus said in the gospel of John chapter 14:16-17 and 26.


the Comforter will be in you and upon you. And Jesus said in Act 1:8

The Holy Spirit comes into every believer to bear witness they are the children of God and the Holy Spirit comes upon the believer to empower them to do the work of God, the Anointing, the "Unction" as spoken in 1 John 2:20.

This coming upon was seen clearly in the Old Testament. The Holy Spirit is known as the Spirit of the Lord, the Spirit of Might you can find this in Isaiah 11:2,


2 And the Spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him,

the Spirit of wisdom and understanding,

the Spirit of counsel and might,

the Spirit of knowledge and the fear of the Lord.

Joel 2:28 spoke about the Work of the Holy Spirit and HE would no longer be upon ONLY Kings, priests, prophets, rulers, and judges, but now the Holy Spirit is to be poured out on all. men and women.

Since modern day claims of Holy Spirit Baptisms are intangible and non-physical, how much validity should such claims be given?

The answer is either true or false fundamentally.

The reason you weren't given a simple yes or no is because the question you're asking isn't black and white enough to simplify.

You need to use your discernment, considering numerous factors, to decide what you believe. I think numerous commenters showed you the tools to help you.

Hmmm...How much validity should be given to people who assume they are the judge of the gifts of the Holy Spirit?

Seems people never get tired of joining this forum to bash what they assume is no longer scripturally accurate

"The answer is either true or false fundamentally." You are quite correct, hence the need for a proper response.

Claims without proof are like clouds without rain, pretty to look at but of no real consequence.