Our responses to claims of Holy Spirit Bapitisms.

[Live4Him]

yes, HE did, and He said to receive power to be a witness. and the Holy Ghost will come up you.

The disconnect with many is the word baptism and the strong association with that being water. We are submerged in water but we are enclothed with the Holy Spirit. Jesus give greater understanding in John chapter 14 of the Comforter paraklētos

I understand the distinction.

On the one hand, people are immersed in water.

On the other hand, people are immersed in the Spirit, but they're still two distinct baptisms, AND THE BIBLE TEACHES THE SAME, so what is the problem with anybody believing in "multiple baptisms"?

I unashamedly, according to rightly-divided scripture, believe in two distinct baptisms.

Anybody want to challenge my belief?

I'll easily defend it from scripture, even as I have already been doing.

 

[CS1]

I understand the distinction.

On the one hand, people are immersed in water.

On the other hand, people are immersed in the Spirit, but they're still two distinct baptisms, AND THE BIBLE TEACHES THE SAME, so what is the problem with anybody believing in "multiple baptisms"?

I unashamedly, according to rightly-divided scripture, believe in two distinct baptisms.

Anybody want to challenge my belief?

I'll easily defend it from scripture, even as I have already been doing.

I agree with your point, however, the action of the Holy Spirit in the Old and New Testament

was one and is one of coming upon the believer when speaking of Holy Spirit empowerment. Jesus said Be with you and In you.
the word in the KJV spoken by Jesus Luke 24:49 Endued (put on, clothe one's self )

RECIEVE pOWER AFTER the "Holy Ghost comes upon you" like a smooth breath

 

[Gideon300]

Since modern day claims of Holy Spirit Baptisms are intangible and non-physical, how much validity should such claims be given?

What is tangible about any genuine spiritual experience, including being born again? If you base validity on tangibility, nothing is certain. However, if you base experience on God's word, there is a proper foundation. Since Holy Spirit baptism is scriptural, it is possible. There are counterfeits. However, there are also false conversions, fake prophets and false teachers and preachers.

 

[SophieT]

There is nothing in my comment that was patronizing.

My point is very clear. Off subject comments are not the same as addressing the issue.

I don't know you but if you believe in modern day supernatural manifestations of the Holy Spirit then yes, you are by definition pentecostal.

well according to you. You are so anti, that to you it seems positive

you also do not define who is what. just a little bit full of yourself then?

 

[ronair]

well according to you. You are so anti, that to you it seems positive

you also do not define who is what. just a little bit full of yourself then?

"well according to you. You are so anti, that to you it seems positive" I have no idea what this sentence means.

"you also do not define who is what." If it walks like a duck .
"just a little bit full of yourself then?" Rather judgemental yourself.

 

[Live4Him]

well according to you. You are so anti, that to you it seems positive

Unfortunately, that seems to be a common theme in the BDF. In other words, a lot of people here seem hellbent on tearing certain teachings or other members down, and there's hardly anything edifying here at all.

The reason for this could be summed up in one word:

PRIDE.

 

[CS1]

I understand the distinction.

On the one hand, people are immersed in water.

On the other hand, people are immersed in the Spirit, but they're still two distinct baptisms, AND THE BIBLE TEACHES THE SAME, so what is the problem with anybody believing in "multiple baptisms"?

I unashamedly, according to rightly-divided scripture, believe in two distinct baptisms.

Anybody want to challenge my belief?

I'll easily defend it from scripture, even as I have already been doing.

When one says "Multiple baptisms" ,

that must be defined and it is not multiple really it is two. You surely know there are those who have done what is known as "eliciting of scripture".


Baptism in water as a public statement One is placing their faith in the Death Burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Receiving the Holy Spirit as a resident in the New Believer happens at conversion. That is not the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit coming upon the believer to equip them to do the work of God and be and effective witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ and resurrection. I don't have an issue with two baptisms, however, there are those who make it a requirement for salvation.

Acts 1:8
Acts 4:33

 

[Live4Him]

When one says "Multiple baptisms" ,

that must be defined and it is not multiple really it is two. You surely know there are those who have done what is known as "eliciting of scripture".


Baptism in water as a public statement One is placing their faith in the Death Burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Receiving the Holy Spirit as a resident in the New Believer happens at conversion. That is not the baptism of the Holy Spirit.

The Baptism in the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit coming upon the believer to equip them to do the work of God and be and effective witnesses of the Lord Jesus Christ and resurrection. I don't have an issue with two baptisms, however, there are those who make it a requirement for salvation.

Acts 1:8
Acts 4:33

I definitely agree with you as far as the distinctions between the two baptisms are concerned.

That said, I'm not really sure what the difference between "two baptisms" and "multiple baptisms" would be. To my way of thinking, anything more than one would be "multiple".

 

[CS1]

I definitely agree with you as far as the distinctions between the two baptisms are concerned.

That said, I'm not really sure what the difference between "two baptisms" and "multiple baptisms" would be. To my way of thinking, anything more than one would be "multiple".

Ok, I would think multiple is more than two, and two is more specific and limited you can have three if there is only two and if there is multiple it can be more than two can it not? Would we want to teach about the baptism as many of the specific two?

The confusion comes with many because many new Christians do not understand the difference between water and Spirit Empowerment of the Holy Spirit in the believer and upon the believer.

 

[Live4Him]

Ok, I would think multiple is more than two, and two is more specific and limited you can have three if there is only two and if there is multiple it can be more than two can it not? Would we want to teach about the baptism as many of the specific two?

The confusion comes with many because many new Christians do not understand the difference between water and Spirit Empowerment of the Holy Spirit in the believer and upon the believer.

NOT to be pedantic, but the dictionary defines "multiple" as "involving more than one", so that's how I've been thinking and responding:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multiple

multiple
adjective

1: consisting of, including, or involving more than one
// multiple births
// multiple choices

 

[CS1]

NOT to be pedantic, but the dictionary defines "multiple" as "involving more than one", so that's how I've been thinking and responding:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/multiple

multiple
adjective

1: consisting of, including, or involving more than one
// multiple births
// multiple choices

In the context of the English language multiple please go ahead.

In teaching "Baptism's" from the bible, TWO. To effectively show many Biblical truths, specifics are necessary.

For example, the Trinity could be seen by the English language as multiple gods, yet, that would be unbiblical in context to the One true God would it not? To bring the understanding of the Triune God "Multiple" would not be right. Therefore we must provide what is given not what is assumed.

 

[ronair]

In the context of the English language multiple please go ahead.

In teaching "Baptism's" from the bible, TWO. To effectively show many Biblical truths, specifics are necessary.

For example, the Trinity could be seen by the English language as multiple gods, yet, that would be unbiblical in context to the One true God would it not? To bring the understanding of the Triune God "Multiple" would not be right. Therefore we must provide what is given not what is assumed.

You are simply trying to back pedal. Multiple means more than one. Words have meanings.
Pentacostals have always taught multiple baptisms. If you don't know their beliefs don't defend them.

Here's another example:

This downloadable brochure to print and share explains the core beliefs of The Foursquare Church.

BAPTISM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT We believe that baptism with the Holy Spirit empowers believers, and that the Holy Spirit’s incoming follows the same pattern that is described in the New Testament (Acts 2:4). WATER BAPTISM AND THE LORD’S SUPPER We believe that baptism by immersion in water is an outward sign of an inward work (Matt. 28:19; Rom. 6:4). We believe in commemorating the Lord’s Supper by the symbolic use of bread and fruit of the vine (1 Cor. 11:24, 25). CHURCH RELATIONSHI

I have seen Pentacostal services where a person received 4 baptisms in one day.

Your Trinity example does not hold water. Trinity is an established and defined term as opposed to the words mulitple baptisms which means more than one baptism.

 

[CS1]

You are simply trying to back pedal. Multiple means more than one. Words have meanings.
Pentacostals have always taught multiple baptisms. If you don't know their beliefs don't defend them.

Here's another example:

This downloadable brochure to print and share explains the core beliefs of The Foursquare Church.

BAPTISM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT We believe that baptism with the Holy Spirit empowers believers, and that the Holy Spirit’s incoming follows the same pattern that is described in the New Testament (Acts 2:4). WATER BAPTISM AND THE LORD’S SUPPER We believe that baptism by immersion in water is an outward sign of an inward work (Matt. 28:19; Rom. 6:4). We believe in commemorating the Lord’s Supper by the symbolic use of bread and fruit of the vine (1 Cor. 11:24, 25). CHURCH RELATIONSHI

I have seen Pentacostal services where a person received 4 baptisms in one day.

Your Trinity example does not hold water. Trinity is an established and defined term as opposed to the words multiple baptisms which means more than one baptism.

Look I am not trying to back peddle please respond to the point I made. There are not multiple Baptism. are there multiple ordinances of the church or are there two?

If you are pentecostal then you need to study more because they do not teach multiple baptisms. We teach specific One water and one of the Spirit. I was very clear and you and I can stop our conversation I was speaking to Live4him who is much more mature and less confrontational

 

[CS1]

You are simply trying to back pedal. Multiple means more than one. Words have meanings.
Pentacostals have always taught multiple baptisms. If you don't know their beliefs don't defend them.

Here's another example:

This downloadable brochure to print and share explains the core beliefs of The Foursquare Church.

BAPTISM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT We believe that baptism with the Holy Spirit empowers believers, and that the Holy Spirit’s incoming follows the same pattern that is described in the New Testament (Acts 2:4). WATER BAPTISM AND THE LORD’S SUPPER We believe that baptism by immersion in water is an outward sign of an inward work (Matt. 28:19; Rom. 6:4). We believe in commemorating the Lord’s Supper by the symbolic use of bread and fruit of the vine (1 Cor. 11:24, 25). CHURCH RELATIONSHI

I have seen Pentacostal services where a person received 4 baptisms in one day.

Your Trinity example does not hold water. Trinity is an established and defined term as opposed to the words multiple baptisms which means more than one baptism.

Your experience is not authoritative and it is lacking understanding. I don't have to download Four sq or Aog i am one LOL. Anyone who received four baptisms in one day was unbiblical and UNLEARNED. I will say too I don't believe you.

 

[ronair]

Unfortunately, that seems to be a common theme in the BDF. In other words, a lot of people here seem hellbent on tearing certain teachings or other members down, and there's hardly anything edifying here at all.

The reason for this could be summed up in one word:

PRIDE.

The truth is always edifying.
Contending for the faith.......even more.

I believe your words are sincere, You should not be so quick to judge the motives of others.

 

[ronair]

Your experience is not authoritative and it is lacking understanding. I don't have to download Four sq or Aog i am one LOL. Anyone who received four baptisms in one day was unbiblical and UNLEARNED. I will say too I don't believe you.

Your simple claim of "being one" is not authoritative. I have shown you two examples of pentacostal groups believing in mutliple baptism, can you show an example of these groups believing in one baptism?

People having mulitple baptisms in one day is not new in pentacostal services. I am more than happy to present examples once you show me evidence of one baptism being taught by pentacostals.

 

[CS1]

Your simple claim of "being one" is not authoritative. I have shown you two examples of pentacostal groups believing in mutliple baptism, can you show an example of these groups believing in one baptism?

People having mulitple baptisms in one day is not new in pentacostal services. I am more than happy to present examples once you show me evidence of one baptism being taught by pentacostals.

that is true but as a Moderator, my comments have been verified by the site owner and others here, how about dat?

 

[ronair]

that is true but as a Moderator, my comments have been verified by the site owner and others here, how about dat?

I have no idea what this sentence proves.

 

[CS1]

I have no idea what this sentence proves.

Ok ,

 

[Lafftur]

I understand the distinction.

On the one hand, people are immersed in water.

On the other hand, people are immersed in the Spirit, but they're still two distinct baptisms, AND THE BIBLE TEACHES THE SAME, so what is the problem with anybody believing in "multiple baptisms"?

I unashamedly, according to rightly-divided scripture, believe in two distinct baptisms.

Anybody want to challenge my belief?

I'll easily defend it from scripture, even as I have already been doing.

Here's something to ponder.......

There are actually 3 baptisms...... Water, Spirit, and Fire. We get fully submerged in all three.

Even planet Earth is going through the same baptisms.

Water = Noah's Flood when God made it rain 40 days and 40 nights, Earth completely submerged;
Spirit = God pouring out His Spirit on all flesh all over the entire planet Earth; and
Fire = The whole Earth will be covered with fire that consumes all flesh.

For us the three baptisms are:

Water baptism fully emerged publicly as a sign of being in covenant with Jesus Christ in His death, burial and resurrection.

Holy Spirit baptism fully emerged and filled with God's Holy Spirit.

Fire baptism fully persecuted and tried in the furnace of affliction coming out pure gold, no more flesh to contend with; we're fully and completely in love with God and filled and consumed with His Love....pure gold.