****Justified DIVORCE****

Although Moses may have (many Bible scholars believe that this reference was to Zipporah) remarried in Numbers 12:1, even then, scripture is silent about what happened to his first wife, Zipporah.

In other words, she could have easily died by this point in time, so your claims of him divorcing her have no substantiation in scripture.

Or
He got rid of her because
Ex 4:25

She was not easy to get along with
And when he remarried
(If he was a widower)
Why did Arron and Miriam get their robes in a bunch??
Because Moses wasnt a widower
And his EX wife was with her father bcz she was not on board with Moses"s
New life - I have had long discussions about this issue with both Rabbi's and Greek Orthodox scholars
My take on this is not original - it there
In the book

Either way for me personally its academic

Okay, I can see why you believe that, but I disagree with you.

Many do-

It's not there in the book, as I've already demonstrated, but you're free to believe whatever you want to believe.

Here is a commentary that gives a reasonable answer to this issue.
https://enduringword.com/bible-commentary/numbers-12/

It shows that using Numbers 12:1 in the context of divorce and remarriage is pretty unreliable.

Ok...but that is what it says..but alrighty

I didn't say it justified remarriage. But if a woman is abused in a marriage, there is no reason she should not seek a divorce for her safety and her childrens.

presidente said:

So are you one of those couples who never argued?

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We were talking about abuse and arguments that could be construed as abuse. I said we had never said anything to each other that could be misinterpreted as abuse. I grew up with parents that never stopped arguing and his parents divorced when he was young. We are very careful not to argue, we both hate it.

presidente said:

I met this Malaysian Chinese couple once. He was a pastor. Before marriage she'd been a missionary to the Inban or some tribe like that that was known for headhunting. He was in his 90's. She was in her 80's. She said they never once argued in their marriage. My wife and I asked him if that were the case. He did not answer. She said he had difficulty hearing. They might never have argued. They were a sweet couple. I know one other man who said he and his wife and never argued. It seems a rare thing.

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It is indeed a rare thing. I was in a store with my husband once and we were joking as we were checking out. The cashier asked if we were brother and sister, at our odd expression she said that most couples who came through the line were either angry or arguing with each other. I'm not going to say we never disagree, but we don't argue, certainly never shout or swear at one another.

presidente said:

My wife and I have never cussed at each other. We have not called each other 'stupid', but I think we have both said things we wish we would not have said.

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Both my hubby and I grew up with drama and unstableness in our families. I think we just both love peace more than we want to be right.

presidente said:

I do not sit in on people's marriage counseling sessions, so I cannot say. But based on discussions on forums, that does not seem to be very common advice among evangelicals on such forums.

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I can see coming and talking out an issue in forums, but I wouldn't stake my marriage on it. Seems a rather odd thing to do. Taking advice of strangers on something so important.

Statistically 30% of all church members have at some time been victims of domestic violence. It is termed as the Silent Epidemic in our Western churches.

A relevant article can be found at:
http://www.kyria.com/topics/hottopics/womensissues/11.68.html

You can find a good number of domestic violence articles on my website;
http://www.personal-communication.org.nz

An Indian family of working class, including the extended family, generally includes one person of each character - the wife beater, the drunk, the gambler, the husband who abandons the family, the man who has another family on the side, the daughter in law who mistreats the in-law (and vice versa), the child who no longer talks to the family, etc. I also spoke with an Ethiopian who admitted this of his own culture. However, as the family gets more educated, these types of characters decrease. Nowadays these types of behavior are not accepted.

I have not told a wife who said she felt her life was in danger to stay in that situation. There are a lot of other situations that are not that extreme, situations where one party might call it 'verbal abuse' and another would not.

But be that as it may, one person being violent or verbally abusive does not give the other the right to commit adultery. One can separate for safety reasons without remarrying.

If you tell someone it is okay to commit adultery (by divorcing and remarrying wrongly) you may have to answer to God for that also.

There is no evidence that Moses divorced.

He might have taken a second wife, or he might have been widowed. We do not know the situation beyond what is stated. There are even thoughts who would argue that his Midianite and Kenite wife was a Kushite. Maybe he had a Midianite wife, a Kenite wife, and a Kushite wife.

The argument for it seems extremely weak. Here is a web page that addresses that and other interpretations and traditions about Moses' marriage:

https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/zipporah-midrash-and-aggadah

As a divorced man, I hope I can help. The first thing to be assured of is that divorce is not the unpardonable sin. God hates divorce, but He does not expect or demand people to continue in abusive relationships.

Many Christians emphasise the "wives submit to your husband" truth. Rarely have I heard a sermon on "husbands love your wives as Christ loved the church". I also believe that the definition of Christian is way to broad. We prove that we have passed from death to life when we love the brethren, and that includes our spouse.

I was extremely hard line on divorce as a new Christian. Watching other Christians struggle and my personal failure has made me a little more understanding.

One thing that we must be sure of is to be free of any unforgiveness, bitterness or resentment. That can be beyond human ability at times. However, we will suffer terribly if we do not forgive. So how? I suggest that you look at the following article. It is by far the most helpful thing I've ever read on the subject. It's quite long, but worth it.

https://www.christianlife.org.au/can-you-forgive-from-your-heart

In my experience working with DV victims is that one cannot know initially whether an incident remains minor or develops into homicide of the victim, or the victim's suicide. We were trained to treat every incidences of DV as potentially life-threatening.

It can start with verbal comments and psychological pressure, and without intervention, will never go away. And the percentage of DV in church families is just a couple of percent short of what is happening in society.

In the 1980s I had a friend who was stabbed to death in front of her children when she tried to break up with her professing Christian partner. His attitude was, "If I can't have her, nobody can." The church leadership knew about her fears of the man, but did nothing to protect her.

I'm not advocating a spouse walking out of a marriage and then getting married again. Whether future remarriage is appropriate for the innocent victim God's business and hers, and I don't support religious busybodies Bible bashing them with verses out of context.

In fact, many victims who do remarry, end up with another DV relationship, and we at the Ministry of Justice Victims Advisers office saw quite a few of these "serial" victims. Therefore we counsel victims taking their time before rushing into another relationship, and I am sure that a responsible pastor would do the same.

I don't believe that God punishes the innocent along with the guilty, no matter what Bible quoting religionists say. Good Bible scholars take the whole Bible into account when considering these issues, not just a couple of individual verses out of context.

Not so. God does not punish anyone for the sins of others. Being forced to be single is unjust. I've been single for 25 years now. I believe that I was justified in getting divorced. Being single is my choice - for now.

Of course, if the abusive spouse remarries, then the issue for the innocent spouse becomes a non-issue as far as remarriage is concerned.

Why do you say this? What scripture do you base this on?

Really? Rarely, if ever at all, have I heard a sermon that told wives to submit to their husbands where it was not also taught that husbands were to love their wives as Christ loved the church.

I was in a church that had a seeker-sensitive feel to it once where a visiting pastor preached on Ephesians 5. He very quickly read the part about wives submitting to their husbands and said we had all heard a lot about that, then spent time telling husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the church... and spent much of the rest of the sermon talking about the need for communication.

I remember thinking a lot of the people here probably have not heard sermons on the need for wives to submit to their husbands. Many of them probably did not go to church in the 1950's or '60's, or even '70's. Seeker sensitive churches can be light on those type of topics. You may not hear abortion addressed, or various other hot topic issues that contradict society. And a lot of churches have gone the seeker sensitive route.

But I suppose we all have different experiences.