Lord , Teach us To pray !
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Getting slapped and being beaten to a bloody pulp or watching your family get killed are completely different things.
And believe me you would never see me protecting my wife... because that would open up a whole new can of worms. I'm a woman and I don't have or want a wife....lol
Seriously though, Jesus said to turn the other cheek and nowadays you have people who aren't even willing to take a harsh word.
And believe me you would never see me protecting my wife... because that would open up a whole new can of worms. I'm a woman and I don't have or want a wife....lol
Seriously though, Jesus said to turn the other cheek and nowadays you have people who aren't even willing to take a harsh word.
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Hi my brother in Christ.
In a sense I see what you are saying. For me I was just addressing the verses you quoted and the context of verses, which is basically conflict resolution and if the process is followed by the very words of Jesus and no resolution is found then basically put them away.
Matthew 18:15-20
Dealing with a Sinning Brother
15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
Then we find in C19
Matthew 18:21-22
The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant
21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
What I find interesting is that Peter asks this question. Was he infact being generous?
I think he thought he was possibly looking for commendation but also considering a brother who sins against him as an enemy.
Tradition in the OT
Amos 1:3
Judgment on the Nations
3 Thus says the Lord:
“For three transgressions of Damascus, and for four,
I will not turn away its punishment,
Because they have threshed Gilead with implements of iron.
This is what the Rabbi's taught.
The above verses indicate an enemy.
Yet we know when Peter realised that the gospel was for the Gentiles as well they were actually brothers in Christ.
Jesus really raised the bar here.
He even said "Love your enemies"
Forgive as you have been forgiven.
Jesus taught us how to pray.
Yes I agree and it's the model prayer.
It's not a word prayer but a spiritual one as well.
In a sense I see what you are saying. For me I was just addressing the verses you quoted and the context of verses, which is basically conflict resolution and if the process is followed by the very words of Jesus and no resolution is found then basically put them away.
Matthew 18:15-20
Dealing with a Sinning Brother
15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother.
16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’
17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the church. But if he refuses even to hear the church, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.
18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.
19 “Again I say to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven.
20 For where two or three are gathered together in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
Then we find in C19
Matthew 18:21-22
The Parable of the Unforgiving Servant
21 Then Peter came to Him and said, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? Up to seven times?”
22 Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you, up to seven times, but up to seventy times seven.
What I find interesting is that Peter asks this question. Was he infact being generous?
I think he thought he was possibly looking for commendation but also considering a brother who sins against him as an enemy.
Tradition in the OT
Amos 1:3
Judgment on the Nations
3 Thus says the Lord:
“For three transgressions of Damascus, and for four,
I will not turn away its punishment,
Because they have threshed Gilead with implements of iron.
This is what the Rabbi's taught.
The above verses indicate an enemy.
Yet we know when Peter realised that the gospel was for the Gentiles as well they were actually brothers in Christ.
Jesus really raised the bar here.
He even said "Love your enemies"
Forgive as you have been forgiven.
Jesus taught us how to pray.
Yes I agree and it's the model prayer.
It's not a word prayer but a spiritual one as well.
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Amen to that sister !!
the spirit leads us into true repentance and true righteousness where transgression isn’t what we are bound to do anymore
it isn’t as if following the spirit teaches us to go ahead and break the law , we just don’t follow the law we follow the spirit and the law is fulfilled in us because we aren’t lying , cheating , stealing , worshipping false Gods , committing adultery ect
it’s the true law written on our hearts when we believe the gospel it leads to actual righteousness within at our core where faith operates .
so sin becomes what we aren’t drawn to because our minds have recognized temptation for what it is
the spirit leads us into true repentance and true righteousness where transgression isn’t what we are bound to do anymore
it isn’t as if following the spirit teaches us to go ahead and break the law , we just don’t follow the law we follow the spirit and the law is fulfilled in us because we aren’t lying , cheating , stealing , worshipping false Gods , committing adultery ect
it’s the true law written on our hearts when we believe the gospel it leads to actual righteousness within at our core where faith operates .
so sin becomes what we aren’t drawn to because our minds have recognized temptation for what it is
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There are different ways of reading scripture. It is a wonderful history of the world, and literally true. It is beautiful poetry.
I think a true reading of scripture is to include in every verse a reading of what the eternal principles of the Lord are. I truly feel an objection when I read someone treating it as only history, and ignoring the eternal truths that are present in that history. In order to do that we need to be aware that for us time is different than time is for the Lord. For the Lord, time is eternal not sequential. God's principles are told through the telling of history as sequential, but that is not the true messages of the Lord. God's eternal truths are the true message.
I think a true reading of scripture is to include in every verse a reading of what the eternal principles of the Lord are. I truly feel an objection when I read someone treating it as only history, and ignoring the eternal truths that are present in that history. In order to do that we need to be aware that for us time is different than time is for the Lord. For the Lord, time is eternal not sequential. God's principles are told through the telling of history as sequential, but that is not the true messages of the Lord. God's eternal truths are the true message.
Failing to see the timelines through the history, you might not truly believe that at one time in actual history, God really did create the universe. That at another point he really did actually create Adam and Eve . That in history ,he really did Flood the earth , spoke to Moses, Gave the law , that he really did at one point in history send Jesus to be the saviour . That at a real time in history he really went to the cross to reconcile the world . The Resurrection actually took place in time. Acts 2 really happened its a historical event. Then Paul actually existed and was converted and he really did write 13 epistles. In fact over 40 authors through the Holy Spirit set to write over 66 books over a literal, actual period of over 1500 years . I believe the Death and resurrection actually took place. I believe in a literal, risen christ ,who really is going to return again at some point in actual history. God is meticulous about Days, times and seasons ect . I don't believe in ' poetry ' for my salvation . I believe in a risen saviour who really did die for my sins .
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You get those things from Paul . That was Jesus intention. Just like God chose Moses as the Spokesperson for Israel. Jesus chose Paul ( not Peter ) as the one to whom the ' body of christ ' would get our doctrine . Israel had no confusion in whom to listen to . The church today wants to ' pic n mix ' . The words in red being the favourite ones.
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Matter the subject does that , usually blur for male and pink for female my neice taught me that like theee months ago lol I just assumed it was the same here .So glad you mentioned you were a sister I would have never made the distinction I probably have done that to others and apologize also
they always almost every site I have notice have some way of knowing male and female some have also those little symbols for the different genders I think because of the new work gender philosophy people are changing that distinction
I saw on the news today , they are going to teach children not to say mom and dad , but parents and folks because it offends the gender language police in the world
Matter the subject does that , usually blur for male and pink for female my neice taught me that like theee months ago lol I just assumed it was the same here .So glad you mentioned you were a sister I would have never made the distinction I probably have done that to others and apologize also
they always almost every site I have notice have some way of knowing male and female some have also those little symbols for the different genders I think because of the new work gender philosophy people are changing that distinction
I saw on the news today , they are going to teach children not to say mom and dad , but parents and folks because it offends the gender language police in the world
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Hi alll.. oh I pray happy and blessed in Christ. Thinking again I LOVE how they talked to each other back then.. something I never do haha.. but so try to remember to..
Duh that prayer is so beautiful and for today yet was said before Christ died on the Cross. Yes our Father is in heaven.. yet is He really that far away? Rev 3:20... if we are one.. where is He really? YES AMEN to His will be done on earth as it IS in heaven.
remember Christians never asked Jews still under the law asked. I could be wrong
Duh that prayer is so beautiful and for today yet was said before Christ died on the Cross. Yes our Father is in heaven.. yet is He really that far away? Rev 3:20... if we are one.. where is He really? YES AMEN to His will be done on earth as it IS in heaven.
remember Christians never asked Jews still under the law asked. I could be wrong
