TONGUES false teaching.

Peter said THIS IS THAT .... what they were seeing and hearing.... THIS IS THAT... Peter understood that they were in the Last Days right then..

Peter spoke about being in the Last Days in his other writings, as did Paul and others. The Last Days begin when Jesus Came and we are still in the last days.

Hermeneutically it is impossible to say that Peter said "in the future.... Joels prophesy will be fulfilled....but not today... " He clearly said THIS IS THAT which Joel spoke... And therefore you are trying to change what Peter said to something else and it is obvious to everyone that you are doing it. Why would you pretend you are not?

THIS IS THAT ...Joel spoke about their daughters and handmaidens prophesying that now LOOK THIS IS THAT ....

We all understand it. You can't make it say something different no matter how much you try. The women spoke in tongues, Peter considered it the same as prophesying and pointed it out and said THIS IS THAT....

Eazy Peazy... only a false teacher can mess that up.

Scattering nonsense again? Not everyone who speaks in tongues is Pentecostal and for that matter, the believing Jews weren't either

I don't think you have any Pentecostal friends though to tell the truth.

It must be very frustrating for you to be amongst us.
I can see it in your posts.

The breakdown of those who speak with other tongues were seen in verse 6 and 8. True men and women were all filled but not all speak at that moment.

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You're an ignorant man, Roger, who thinks he isn't. Not a good combination.

Shake your head if you must. But I would be interested to hear your reasons why you disagree.

We get along with non pentecostals. Our honest brothers and sisters who differ in interpretations are tolerated on both sides. However bad hermeneutics will always be pointed out. Most nonpentecostals who do not believe that the gift of tongues are for the church today would tell you that they believe that the women among the 120 did speak in tongues and that Peter pointed it out as a sign that the prophesy of Joel was being fulfilled. They don't resort to bad heremeneutics to support their positions. The simply understand that what happened at that time does not apply to today. No we can discuss the reasons why they feel that way and get along just fine.

Your being corrected not because you are not a pentecostal. But because you are saying that the 120 did not speak in tongues and the women among them did not. This is what you are being taken to task on and you are going to loose that debate where ever you take it even to a reformed site. Or whatever non pentecostal evangelical group you pick.
Name a respected Evangelical Bible Believing Theological University NonPentecostral and I challenge you to find one professor that will agree with the heremeneutic that only the 12 spoke in tongues.

Dallas Theological University does not allow Pentecostal or Charismatic believing professors to teach there. And yet I will guess that any of their current professors will disagree with your interpretation that the women did not speak in tongues on the day of Pentecost.

Your interpretation cannot be supported from the text but the text does support that the women were present, that all spoke in tongues, and that Peter pointed out that the women spoke in tongues and he was using it as a reason why it was the beginning of the fulfilment of Joel's prophesy even though there is more to that prophesy to come.

Now you can say you reject the professors at DTS but you cannot say they do not know the bible. You can reject the majority of Greek scholars that disagree with your interpretation on whether the women were included but you cannot say they do not know the scriptures. All you can say is that you are going to stick to your views even if it is rejected by the vast majority of scholars and commentaries that have ever been written in the history of the church but you can't say everyone else was ignorant and your were not. You are going to lose this debate on whether women spoke in tongues on the day of Pentecost.

I think so too.

see post 649 for one

You are judging and will be so judged as you judge others. Judge righteous judgements and judge according to the word of God.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

If I don’t judge the right or wrong of it against the Bible...if they are in error..I will also be in error If I follow the teaching. So I must be a good berean and check the scriptures. We know that Jesus says that false teachers and prophets will come and to be on the alert for them..so its only good to make sure you’re not following falsely.

Most Americans speak English...would we then need to hear people speaking in tongues in church in that case?

I did not comment on women speaking in tongues at Pentecost. I do not have any respect for DTS.

If we read Joel 2 we see that there are additional signs that were not present at Pentecost. Those signs will be fulfilled at a future date. They will also be specific to the Jews which in my mind makes them during the tribulation after the rapture of the church.

In any case that does not make provision for the chaos of tongues in the modern church.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

For another, the upper room was not a bedroom. It would have been the large room on the roof of a house. This was already a place where people went to pray and ask God to move. Guests were also staying in that room as well when they would visit.

This may be your understanding, but it is not correct. The upper room is not what you assumed it was.

I already tried to find out about it with her and she just smiled at me and didn’t give me any other info on why she was doing it.

If it really is the spirit giving utterance...and I think if that were the case then someone should be able to interpret what she is saying. I never got any indication that anyone knew what she said but she kept talking in that language anyway. So, then if no one knows what she is saying..isn’t it wrong?

That again? pffft

What’s the problem with that?

@VARob

Further Jesus and the disciples had the 'Last Supper' in an upper room. The gospels are not specific as to exactly where though

The number given was 120
14These all continued with one accord in prayer and supplication, with the women, and Mary the mother of Jesus, and with his brethren.
15And in those days Peter stood up in the midst of the disciples, and said, (the number of names together were about an hundred and twenty,)


1And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

(If you're on a desert island alone with only the bible and no religious teaching, history, or other books to reference would you interpret 1-5 as including everyone in the room?)


And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every nation under heaven. 6Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language. 7And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold, are not all these which speak Galilaeans? 8And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

The devout men heard every man in our out tongue is the KJV way of saying "each of us" and not meaning "we only hear males"

New International Version
Then how is it that each of us hears them in our native language?

New Living Translation
and yet we hear them speaking in our own native languages!

English Standard Version
And how is it that we hear, each of us in his own native language?

Berean Study Bible
How is it then that each of us hears them in his own native language?

Berean Literal Bible
And how do we each hear our own language in which we were born?

King James Bible
And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

The every man means "each one of us"

When Peter stands up with the eleven (they stood up with him) The speaking in tongues was over. Peter addressed them in the common language. Probably Aramaic.

Peter says that THIS IS THAT the Daughters are prophesying.. Dont you See!!! The Handmaidens are Prophesying!!!! THIS IS THAT.

17‘And it shall come to pass in the last days, says God,
That I will pour out of My Spirit on all flesh;
Your sons and your daughters shall prophesy,
Your young men shall see visions,
Your old men shall dream dreams.
18And on My menservants and on My maidservants
I will pour out My Spirit in those days;
And they shall prophesy.
19I will show wonders in heaven above
And signs in the earth beneath:
Blood and fire and vapor of smoke.
20The sun shall be turned into darkness,
And the moon into blood,
Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord.
21And it shall come to pass
That whoever calls on the name of the Lord
Shall be saved.’

We know that there is more to be fulfilled, the very last of the last days as seen in Revelation concerning the sun turned into darkness. As in many other prophecies about Jesus first coming and second coming together in the same passage.

We have the beginning of this prophesy starting here and it will culminate with the sun and moon details in the future but the Outpouring of the Spirit part started then and the ALL FLESH included gentiles but they did not know it until Cornelius house, what they did discover on this day is that it included WOMEN.

Y'all need to catch up with the program. It has been going on for 2000 years. Women are also called to minister in the power of the Holy Ghost. And many of them have been doing so since that day.

The good news is that God empowers women with His spirit, they speak in tongues, interpret, prophesy, and preach and teach the Bible and there is nothing those with bad hermeneutics can do about it. Absolutely nothing.

And they still have to love these women and accept them as sisters in the Lord or they are walking in darkness.