PREVENIENT GRACE: AN ARMINIAN ERROR

Air is a gift, food is a gift , life is a gift , our faculties are a gift. How strange it is that we can believe in Doctor s , pilot's, dentists, false religions but the bible ,the revelation of God ? the Gospel? Nah can't believe that ? seriously. Your saying that man cannot believe God's revelation? How weak do you see God's revelation? The Gospel is quick and powerful IT is the power of God unto Salvation. Faith comes by hearing the word of God. You seem to have very little faith in God and his Gospel. Maybe you were not gifted the faith to believe this lol ?

I have been gifted my faith by God, before the foundation of the world. Are you saying, you also have been gifted your faith by God, before the foundation of the world?

In the same sense a sinner is gifted by Air . Every human can operate with faith. They have the choice to put their faith in what ever they decide .

I have been gifted my faith by God, before the foundation of the world. Are you saying, you also have been gifted your faith by God, before the foundation of the world?

I didn't exist before the foundation of the world . I was only known as a son after I believed.

I have been destined by God, before the foundation of the world, to have received my gift of faith in Christ Yeshua. Are you saying, you also have been destined by God, before the foundation of the world, to have received the gift of faith in Christ Yeshua?

The Law plays a part in prevenient grace by convicting the sinner of their sins and stirring up a desire to find relief from those sins thus cultivating fertile ground for the reception of the Gospel.

Which verses would you use to confirm that?

If you were gifted faith before you were born ,before the fall before sin , how did God then lose you at the fall to then have to gift you the gift of faith again ?

John 16:7-9 KJV
[7] Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you. [8] And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment: [9] Of sin, because they believe not on me;

The thief on the cross would also be a good example.

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Romans 2 (ESV)

13 For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. 14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.

27¶Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith WITHOUT the deeds of the law.

This may help 🙏

Romans 2 is Paul setting the theme of Romans . That no one is justified by the deeds of the law . Why ? because their is none righteous, no not one . He frames it the way he does in chapter 2 to make it clear that those who think they are right with God are not . The hearers of the law had to do what was required of the law . Its like saying " ok you think you've kept the law to be justified really?"

For sin shall not have dominion over you: for you are not under the law, but under grace” (Rom. 6:14). “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster” (Gal. 3:24-25). Paul often uses the word katarge?, meaning to put away or abolish in describing the ending of the law: “Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances” (Eph. 2:15; see also 2 Cor. 3:7, 11, 14, “done away;” 3:13, “abolished”).

Read the prodigal son - he always remained the son of his Father. If we were predestined before the foundation of the world, to receive our gift of faith from the Father, we predestined for the Father's house will always return.

I have been predestined by God, before the foundation of the world, to have received my gift of faith in Christ Yeshua. Are you saying, you also have been predestined by God, before the foundation of the world, to have received the gift of faith in Christ Yeshua?

I watched listening how he makes fun of God's will, his commandments, his law - but could not watch any further after he used God's name in vain by stating at 6m33s "Thank (....) I don't have to check that anymore..."

Sorry my friend, I do not see Christ Yeshua's love of the Messiah, of love for God and fellow man in your humanist teacher, you offered with your prayer to who I do not know.... The law does not save us, being saved it shows us God's will, so that we may walk in the ways he prepared for us.

Paul did not teach lawlessness, ie. to be without the law. You are misinterpreting Paul. Paul preached that we are not saved by the law, but being saved by grace, through God's gift of faith, we walk in good works prepared by God. How would you define good works, if they are not within God's will, his commandments, his law? Saved by grace, brings us to obeying God's will, his commandments, his law. Obeying God's will, his commandments, his law does not save us.


2 Thessalonians 2 (ESV)

3 Let no one deceive you in any way. For that day will not come, unless the rebellion comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction, 4 who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God.

2 cor 3
5Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;

6Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

7¶But if the MINISTRATION OF DEATH , written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be DONE AWAY :

8How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?

9For if the ministration of CONDEMNATION be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

10For even that which was made glorious had no glory in this respect, by reason of the glory that excelleth.

11For if that which is DONE AWAY was glorious, much more that which remaineth is glorious.

12¶Seeing then that we have such hope, we use great plainness of speech:

13And not as Moses, which put a vail over his face, that the children of Israel could not stedfastly look to the end of that which IS ABOLISHED:

14But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is DONE AWAY in Christ.

15But even unto this day, when Moses is read, the vail is upon their heart.

16Nevertheless when it shall turn to the Lord, the vail shall be taken away.

17Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.

18But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

Seriously come now let us reason together with a proper translation .