When are we saved ?

He is out to defeat Calvinism at all costs. Like a few others these past few months
He can’t see anything else he sees all through a Calvin lens. So he can’t see anything else

He is out to defeat Calvinism at all costs. Like a few others these past few months
He can’t see anything else he sees all through a Calvin lens. So he can’t see anything else

Not if you want to explain the Gospel . Explain the components of salvation and avoid years of false teaching .

He is out to defeat Calvinism at all costs. Like a few others these past few months
He can’t see anything else he sees all through a Calvin lens. So he can’t see anything else

I'd rather you ignore , than these personal attacks . I've asked you politely a few times now and you still keep going . I've argued and attacked false teaching without being personal . I'd ask you to kindly do the same .

We don't "explain" the Gospel.
The Gospel is simple to understand. God became human flesh, suffered, was crucified, died to pay our sin debt, and rose to life on the 3rd day.

Those words are not difficult to speak or comprehend what the speaker is saying.

It's BELIEVING that spoken Gospel that trips most up.

So We PRESENT the Gospel, and the Holy Spirit does the rest.

We are arguing and attacking YOUR false teaching
I would ask you to humble yourself and stop being the proud person who thinks he knows it all and can’t hear a word people say

People will Continue to call you out unti you

1 stop
2 confess
3 at the lease prove you can have a normal conversation without trying to see Calvinism in everything people say (falsely accusing)

I get that . But This thread is more about when are we saved and understanding how we understand and articulate the components of salvation. Among people who are already saved .
Who voted you as CC freedom of speech police ?

We don't "explain" the Gospel.
The Gospel is simple to understand. God became human flesh, suffered, was crucified, died to pay our sin debt, and rose to life on the 3rd day.

Those words are not difficult to speak or comprehend what the speaker is saying.

It's BELIEVING that spoken Gospel that trips most up.

So We PRESENT the Gospel, and the Holy Spirit does the rest.

Same old stuff

Different thread same stuff.

This is mite than freedom of speech. Your still unrepentant

We are arguing and attacking YOUR false teaching
I would ask you to humble yourself and stop being the proud person who thinks he knows it all and can’t hear a word people say

People will Continue to call you out unti you

1 stop
2 confess
3 at the lease prove you can have a normal conversation without trying to see Calvinism in everything people say (falsely accusing)

Wanted to hit the like, agree, happy, and winner for this one, lol.
Thanks Brother, all have a blessed day!

I don't know any Christian who omits, and severs the Gospel. Both His death and resurrection are essential to the Gospel.

We are saved, regenerated, and born again when we hear and believe the Gospel. THE WHOLE GOSPEL. After that, we can talk all day long about sanctification, or how a Christian should walk.

The rest is silliness.

I fully agree Penn, as if the blood shed upon Calvary played no role in salvation, big smiles!

As you stated, it's a package deal, without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sin, without the resurrection there is no firstborn from the dead.

Yes after we believe. 1cor 1.21 . Eph 1,13-14

Sorry, you do not have proof that the natural man can discern the things of the Spirit, until after he has been quickened, Eph 2;1, and 1 Cor 2:14.

In both scriptures that you have given, they are referencing people that have already been quickened.

1 Cor 1 Cor 1:21, You are not rightly dividing the salvation scriptures. "Save" in Greek means "deliver". There is a deliverance (salvation) when a newborn babe in Christ,. comes unto a knowledge of the righteousness of God. Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and their a little.

You are still a babe in Christ that does not have knowledge of the doctrine.

Eph 1:13-14, In Eph 1:1, Paul is directing his words to "the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful ( in Christ Jesus)" and Paul is including himself, also, in verse 12 by saying that "we" should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ (Paul did not trust in Christ until after his conversion on the road to Damascus), and in Acts 9:17 Paul, was filled with the Holy Ghost.

Paul had been taught the old law by the best of teachers, and persecuted the church "with all good conscience", thinking that he was doing God's work, which is evidence that had been born again

They already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within them when they were sealed with the holy spirit of promise.

It doesn't say anything about being born again

No one came up with regeneration precedes faith until Augustine .

Eph 2:5, What do you think that "quickened" means? I do not know anything about what Augustine, whoever that is, believes. I use only the scriptures to prove themselves, and not other men's interpretation of them.

A spiritually dead man, cannot reach out a hand to be spiritually saved, 1 Cor 2:14.

Eph 2:5, What do you think that "quickened" means? I do not know anything about what Augustine, whoever that is, believes. I use only the scriptures to prove themselves, and not other men's interpretation of them.

Luke
14:25 And there went great multitudes with him: and he turned, and said unto them,
14:26 If any [man] come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.
14:27 And whosoever doth not bear his cross, and come after me, cannot be my disciple.
14:28 For which of you, intending to build a tower, sitteth not down first, and counteth the cost, whether he have [sufficient] to finish [it]?
14:29 Lest haply, after he hath laid the foundation, and is not able to finish [it], all that behold [it] begin to mock him,
14:30 Saying, This man began to build, and was not able to finish.
14:31 Or what king, going to make war against another king, sitteth not down first, and consulteth whether he be able with ten thousand to meet him that cometh against him with twenty thousand?
14:32 Or else, while the other is yet a great way off, he sendeth an ambassage, and desireth conditions of peace.
14:33 So likewise, whosoever he be of you that forsaketh not all that he hath, he cannot be my disciple.
14:34 Salt [is] good: but if the salt have lost his savour, wherewith shall it be seasoned?
14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; [but] men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.