When are we saved ?
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We don't "explain" the Gospel.
The Gospel is simple to understand. God became human flesh, suffered, was crucified, died to pay our sin debt, and rose to life on the 3rd day.
Those words are not difficult to speak or comprehend what the speaker is saying.
It's BELIEVING that spoken Gospel that trips most up.
So We PRESENT the Gospel, and the Holy Spirit does the rest.
The Gospel is simple to understand. God became human flesh, suffered, was crucified, died to pay our sin debt, and rose to life on the 3rd day.
Those words are not difficult to speak or comprehend what the speaker is saying.
It's BELIEVING that spoken Gospel that trips most up.
So We PRESENT the Gospel, and the Holy Spirit does the rest.
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We are arguing and attacking YOUR false teaching
I would ask you to humble yourself and stop being the proud person who thinks he knows it all and can’t hear a word people say
People will Continue to call you out unti you
1 stop
2 confess
3 at the lease prove you can have a normal conversation without trying to see Calvinism in everything people say (falsely accusing)
I would ask you to humble yourself and stop being the proud person who thinks he knows it all and can’t hear a word people say
People will Continue to call you out unti you
1 stop
2 confess
3 at the lease prove you can have a normal conversation without trying to see Calvinism in everything people say (falsely accusing)
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Sorry, you do not have proof that the natural man can discern the things of the Spirit, until after he has been quickened, Eph 2;1, and 1 Cor 2:14.
In both scriptures that you have given, they are referencing people that have already been quickened.
1 Cor 1 Cor 1:21, You are not rightly dividing the salvation scriptures. "Save" in Greek means "deliver". There is a deliverance (salvation) when a newborn babe in Christ,. comes unto a knowledge of the righteousness of God. Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and their a little.
You are still a babe in Christ that does not have knowledge of the doctrine.
Eph 1:13-14, In Eph 1:1, Paul is directing his words to "the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful ( in Christ Jesus)" and Paul is including himself, also, in verse 12 by saying that "we" should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ (Paul did not trust in Christ until after his conversion on the road to Damascus), and in Acts 9:17 Paul, was filled with the Holy Ghost.
Paul had been taught the old law by the best of teachers, and persecuted the church "with all good conscience", thinking that he was doing God's work, which is evidence that had been born again
They already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within them when they were sealed with the holy spirit of promise.
In both scriptures that you have given, they are referencing people that have already been quickened.
1 Cor 1 Cor 1:21, You are not rightly dividing the salvation scriptures. "Save" in Greek means "deliver". There is a deliverance (salvation) when a newborn babe in Christ,. comes unto a knowledge of the righteousness of God. Isaiah 28:9-10, Whom shall he teach knowledge? and to whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk and drawn from the breasts.
For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept, line upon line, line upon line, here a little, and their a little.
You are still a babe in Christ that does not have knowledge of the doctrine.
Eph 1:13-14, In Eph 1:1, Paul is directing his words to "the saints which are at Ephesus, and to the faithful ( in Christ Jesus)" and Paul is including himself, also, in verse 12 by saying that "we" should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ (Paul did not trust in Christ until after his conversion on the road to Damascus), and in Acts 9:17 Paul, was filled with the Holy Ghost.
Paul had been taught the old law by the best of teachers, and persecuted the church "with all good conscience", thinking that he was doing God's work, which is evidence that had been born again
They already had the Holy Spirit dwelling within them when they were sealed with the holy spirit of promise.
Your little Sham-Wow is easily exposed when we read the verse in context.
1 Corinthians
2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
This is simply saying that the Holy Spirit is profitable for the man of God to live and grow by. We get the Holy Spirit after we make our decision, not before.
1 Corinthians
2:12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
2:14 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned.
2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.
2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
This is simply saying that the Holy Spirit is profitable for the man of God to live and grow by. We get the Holy Spirit after we make our decision, not before.
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The last verse you have quoted sums it all up; Only God's sheep (born again elect of God) can hear his voice in understanding it.
The natural man, 1 Cor 2:14, cannot discern (understand) the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness
Only the regenerated man will surrender all, and he is already saved.
The natural man, 1 Cor 2:14, cannot discern (understand) the things of the Spirit, and thinks them to be foolishness
Only the regenerated man will surrender all, and he is already saved.