Eschatology differences & how people get treated

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soggykitten

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I Believe we are talking about (Full Preterist) denying a future second coming and bodily resurrection of the believer.

Individuals try to hide behind the word (Eschatology) falsely as a victim, hiding their denial of the second coming and bodily resurrection of the believer.

(Full Preterism) Is Heretucal
Did you know that during the Protestant Reformation the Roman Catholic church decried all Protestants as heretics? And in many many cases caused those heretics to suffer horrific consequences.


I think name calling is a sign of the maturity level of that Christian that resorts to that prong of personal salvation self defense.

Now to be clear, I called someone a liar whose lie was born from the pit of Hell when they slandered me and made a false claim that I had, in a word, insulted, Christ. And I make no apology for that. Because I think it important to interject also that we can never forget the factor that is always at play here. Anonymity.
We are fake names joining a forum and claiming to be Christian as we engage others in discussion. That's where the fruit of scripture plays a role in discernment I think.
We know who is in Christ and who are anonymously using a fake name and claiming to be Christian by the fruits they display publicly and while defending any part of scripture as they understand it.
Some bad behavior can be attributed to deep frustration in dealing with someone who may actually be goading that person to lose their temper. And resort to name calling and the like. That's called trolling. And again, that's evidence, by that fruit, that this is not a Christian behavior.

Some just tire of jackasses and figure they'll in the moment be bi-lingual and speak their language in order to get through and to be on equal footing in that regard with said jackass.

We defend what we know, when we really are Christian, because we first believe our eternal soul lives the truth of what we believe.
When someone questions that, it is as if they're implying the charge , we may not be heaven bound as we thought. Some of us can get heated at that implication. No pun intended.

Who knows? It's the Internet. Don't take it personally. ;)
And if you encounter a real piece of rude work try this, which was discussed in a different thread. If you read someone who gets really rude with you just read their reply again and add, "in bed." Try it and you'll likely laugh rather than get angry.
"You're an idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Try and read your bible some time pal and you won't look so stupid in this forum!"
"You're an idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Try and read your bible some time pal and you won't look so stupid in this forum
........in bed."

:ROFL::ROFL:
 

SoulWeaver

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#63
The larger question is if God made everything, who would work against him, knowing he put us here? The bible paints seperation from God and being in a body as hell and punishment and we are sinners and rebels, why don't we just leave? Because we do not hate ourselves, we must be made to hate ourselves. Because we don't hate life, we must be made to hate life. These are all indicators someone doesn't want us to be here and our depression and negativity are certainly justified, though we may not be able to put our finger on why.
The Bible does not paint being in a body alone as hell or punishment, that is not accurate. The world falling into sin created suffering on earth, but initially, everything that was made, the entire physical world, was declared good. Dualism where anything physical is inherently bad, is a gnostic teaching. The Bible and especially the New Testament have a completely different outlook from what you claim, it does not tell us to be negative or depressed, quite the opposite, it tells people to be joyful, peaceful, etc. The Bible does not tell people to hate themselves. The Bible actually helped me so much in all these areas. Are we reading the same book? Please don't take offense for me asking this, but since your spiritual status is "unsure" I am just curious. Have you read the entire New Testament from the beginning to the end before making these conclusions?
 

GaryA

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#65
Sigh --- some people just seem to be incapable of respecting the OP... :( :rolleyes:
 

Truth7t7

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#66
Perfect example right here. Attack straight out of the gate. Are you the one that thinks what we believe about eschatology determines if we're saved or not?
You bet, I attack the false teachings of (Full Preterism) that denies a future second coming of Jesus Christ, and a future bodily resurrection of the believer.

The future second coming of Jesus Christ and resurrection of the believer are Foundations of the Christian faith.

(Full Preterism) Is Heretical
 

Truth7t7

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#67
Fixed it for you.
Retreating to a position of altering my post, I put it up again, Big Smiles!

Attack the teaching, (Full Preterism) Is Heresy!

(Full Preterism) denies the future second coming of Jesus Christ and the future bodily resurrection of the believer, this is a false Heretical doctrine.

Gods words alone describe the individual teaching false doctrine seen below.

Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
 

Truth7t7

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#68
Did you know that during the Protestant Reformation the Roman Catholic church decried all Protestants as heretics? And in many many cases caused those heretics to suffer horrific consequences.


I think name calling is a sign of the maturity level of that Christian that resorts to that prong of personal salvation self defense.

Now to be clear, I called someone a liar whose lie was born from the pit of Hell when they slandered me and made a false claim that I had, in a word, insulted, Christ. And I make no apology for that. Because I think it important to interject also that we can never forget the factor that is always at play here. Anonymity.
We are fake names joining a forum and claiming to be Christian as we engage others in discussion. That's where the fruit of scripture plays a role in discernment I think.
We know who is in Christ and who are anonymously using a fake name and claiming to be Christian by the fruits they display publicly and while defending any part of scripture as they understand it.
Some bad behavior can be attributed to deep frustration in dealing with someone who may actually be goading that person to lose their temper. And resort to name calling and the like. That's called trolling. And again, that's evidence, by that fruit, that this is not a Christian behavior.

Some just tire of jackasses and figure they'll in the moment be bi-lingual and speak their language in order to get through and to be on equal footing in that regard with said jackass.

We defend what we know, when we really are Christian, because we first believe our eternal soul lives the truth of what we believe.
When someone questions that, it is as if they're implying the charge , we may not be heaven bound as we thought. Some of us can get heated at that implication. No pun intended.

Who knows? It's the Internet. Don't take it personally. ;)
And if you encounter a real piece of rude work try this, which was discussed in a different thread. If you read someone who gets really rude with you just read their reply again and add, "in bed." Try it and you'll likely laugh rather than get angry.
"You're an idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Try and read your bible some time pal and you won't look so stupid in this forum!"
"You're an idiot. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Try and read your bible some time pal and you won't look so stupid in this forum
........in bed."

:ROFL::ROFL:
Name Calling? :)

The Teachings of (Full Preterism) denies a future second coming of Jesus Christ and a future bodily resurrection of the believer?

These are pillars, foundations, of the Christian Faith, (Full Preterism) is Heretical.

The Mormons And JWs believe in these two future events, Big Smiles!
 

GaryA

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#69
I'd like to gravitate towards the approach of Christianity being a way of life and less as a belief system, more akin to a personal spiritual path or if you will spiritual kung fu, ...
I couldn't help it... ;)

Besides - this thread could use a little levity to counterbalance what it has been [partially] filled up with...

:)
 

Dino246

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Retreating to a position of altering my post, I put it up again, Big Smiles!

Attack the teaching, (Full Preterism) Is Heresy!

(Full Preterism) denies the future second coming of Jesus Christ and the future bodily resurrection of the believer, this is a false Heretical doctrine.

Gods words alone describe the individual teaching false doctrine seen below.

Romans 16:17-18KJV
17 Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them.
18 For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.
Short of denying the existence of God, there is no greater folly than repeating known error.

Big smiles. :)
 

Truth7t7

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#72
Short of denying the existence of God, there is no greater folly than repeating known error.

Big smiles. :)
The majority of Christian Boards in the USA (BAN) the two false teachings below, both are Heretical doctrines.

1.) Universalism

2.) Full Preterism
 

Ogom

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#73
I Believe we are talking about (Full Preterist) denying a future second coming and bodily resurrection of the believer.

Individuals try to hide behind the word (Eschatology) falsely as a victim, hiding their denial of the second coming and bodily resurrection of the believer.

(Full Preterism) Is Heretucal

heretic is just a label that people put on others different in beliefs.

depending on power shifts in the Earth, the label heretic and who uses it is not to be trusted.
 
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I've been called names and was even denied salvation by some over eschatology differences.
I believe that nobody can indisputably prove what exactly will happen in the future...
Do you personally think it's justified to display that level of hostility towards others when it comes to this subject?
Have you had similar experiences, people getting ugly about differences in opinion about what's going to happen in the future?
I have always been pan-trib so it never really mattered that much to me what someone opinions are about what the future might be.
Now present lies and deceptions about salvation and doctrines of demons, false gospels and anything that keep the believer or would be believer from becoming Christ Like or coming to Christ, that crap i take a strong stand against.
I am content to respond with the word of God and let that put it to shame and not let that spill over into the personal.
Unless someone needs to be called out for being a jerk to others.
 
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The majority of Christian Boards in the USA (BAN) the two false teachings below, both are Heretical doctrines.

1.) Universalism

2.) Full Preterism
i don't do non bible so what exactly are these?
Kind of a dumb name for something un-biblical, might as well say full paulisism or full gospleisim
 

SoulWeaver

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heretic is just a label that people put on others different in beliefs.

depending on power shifts in the Earth, the label heretic and who uses it is not to be trusted.
This is true. Switching from Christian Orthodox to being Bible-believing, I was called a heretic for rejecting practices and traditions that were not mentioned in the Bible.
I haven't given much regard to peoples' judgments since. It's extremely subjective, like you say. And I'm noticing on the West as opposed to the East, and especially online, many like to constantly inspect everybody else's beliefs to see if they can issue their own little stamp of approval or disapproval when nobody asked them. It's a bit bizarre actually.
 

GaryA

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#78
Seemingly because you are board.
If he was board, he would surely be in pain - having been "drilled" by a wild hog. Otherwise, if he was "drilled" by something else, he might be bored. Of course, if he were bored - or board - he would definitely not be bored - too much excitement - adrenaline flowing - you know... Of course, if he were simply board, he might just feel stiff as a plank. Or, if he were simply bored, he might just be lacking excitement...

Isn't English a wonderful language? :D

(Just having some fun - I think 'bored' is the word you had in mind...?)

;) :)
 

Truth7t7

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#79
i don't do non bible so what exactly are these?
Kind of a dumb name for something un-biblical, might as well say full paulisism or full gospleisim
As stated, the two topics below are banned on the majority of Christian Boards in the USA.

1.) Universalism teaches (All Mankind) will be redeemed, and some universalist go so far as to say (Satan) also

2.) (Full Preterism) denies a future Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and the future resurrection of believers.
 
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1.) Universalism teaches (All Mankind) will be redeemed, and some universalist go so far as to say (Satan) also

2.) (Full Preterism) denies a future Second Coming of Jesus Christ, and the future resurrection of believers.
Thanks.
Who gets to name this stuff.
Needs renaming.
How about
1) the Satan goes to heaven doctrine
2) the Jesus aint coming for you doctrine

cause full peterisim sound like you believe in all of Peters teachings
and universilisim sounds like Eph 4:6 or John 17 Christ in all of us making us one.