What 3 verses say that a lost man cannot believe the gospel?

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Saying Faith has to be given as a ' gift ' that has to be given or you cannot believe ( regeneration preceds faith ) is a stumbling block .Look up Derick Webb
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absolute 'worldly-affected/infected-narcissistic-non-sense' -
can't imagine the damage that has been propagated
by these delusional posers...
 
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absolute 'worldly-affected/infected-narcissistic-non-sense' -
can't imagine the damage that has been propagated
by these delusional posers...
If everything is predestined then there is no damage to be propagated or imagined.
 

posthuman

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Well we know this verse cannot aid the Calvinist doctrines
Pardon my asking but do you really have an interest in this topic beyond trying to overturn the council of Dort?
 

posthuman

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Well we know this verse cannot aid the Calvinist doctrines . Why is Satan blinding blind people, blind from birth? That would be like putting blind folds on blind people .
Be careful here; Isaiah 6:10 / Matthew 13:15 is the truth.
 

posthuman

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If this were not so, then the preaching of the Gospel would be meaningless.

God meant to use the Gospel itself as the power of God unto salvation (Rom 1:16). Which means that the lost can surely understand that Christ died for their sins according to the Scriptures, and rose again for their justification according to the Scriptures. That God commands all men everywhere to repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. And the Holy Spirit works in concert with the Gospel.

Furthermore faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God (the Gospel) (Rom 10:17). God does not give saving faith to some as a gift, while bypassing others. God does not elect some for salvation and others for damnation(as the Calvinists claim) .

1 Corinthians 2:14 is speaking about the deep things of God. That means the deeper spiritual truths AFTER the Gospel has been preached and obeyed.
But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God. (1 Cor 2:10)
If a man could cause another to believe the truth of the work of Christ then salvation through faith by hearing would be the work of clever human oratory and persuasion rather than "the power of God"

People like Finney believed in the power of the tongue in this regard, rather than the actual work of the Spirit of God through the proclaimed word. I do not agree with Finney; i believe that it is God who calls and who opens the ear and heart, and thus persuades
 
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I'm not certain it is. I could see God causing blindness regardless of the fall in order to bring glory to himself still. Sight is a grace, not a right.
yes grace a responsibility to do the will that works from within. (Not of us) Not a right we are born with. But again a responsibility we have to guard it with all of new heart soul and mind. Staying in His will as much as possible depending on us and the God .two walking in agreement. We walk with Him who empowers us . . remembering if we say we do not sin .We make him out to be the liar. making the work of his faith working in us without effect.

It is a result of the fall (corruption) dying .

But it is used in parables to reveal spiritual blindness the result of the fall. Eyes opened by the word of the parable .the word of God .ears to hear what the Spirit is saying

Isaiah 29:18 And in that day shall the deaf hear the words of the book, and the eyes of the blind shall see out of obscurity, and out of darkness.

Using the temporal things seen to give us the unseen spiritual gospel understanding hid in parables.


A good example is with John the Baptist just prior to sufferings as a be headed, martyr . Christ his head . Having some doubt and wondering. Moved by God John sent messengers in a hope or strengthening his faith. The report of the gospel came back ..Again using the temporal things seen in order to reveal the unseen gospel in that parable. John believed God , mixing faith the unseen will and entered the rest of the gospel .The true fast.

Note. . .Gospel metaphors in the parable below ( green)

Luke 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.

The proper prescription must be applied in order to rightly divide the parables.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.
 
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Proof texting.

Context does not support this as being lost man cannot believe the Gospel as a universal application for all men throughout all time.

The Israelite in attendance listening to Jesus are not taking in the message of Jesus while He is on planet Earth, they have been sealed over to their already rebellious condition during that time as God is accomplishing His plan of redemption.
 
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Proof texting.

Context does not support this as being lost man cannot believe the Gospel as a universal application for all men throughout all time.

The Israelite in attendance listening to Jesus are not taking in the message of Jesus while He is on planet Earth, they have been sealed over to their already rebellious condition during that time as God is accomplishing His plan of redemption.
The scripture I quoted was In response to post human’s post showing that man can’t use words to cause faith It comes from GOD.

Faith comes by hearing and GOD was In CHRIST although some saw HIM as a human born physically of man and women and wondering why does HE say HE IS from heaven.
 
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The scripture I quoted was In response to post human’s post showing that man can’t use words to cause faith It comes from GOD.

Faith comes by hearing and GOD was In CHRIST although some saw HIM as a human born physically of man and women and wondering why does HE say HE IS from heaven.
GOD IS a SPIRIT and the words HE speaks are SPIRIT and they are LIFE.

When I say no man can come to GOD unless GOD draws him I’m talking about a persons conscience being checked.
 
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And If a person doesn’t feel a check In their spirit why would they repent.
IE atheist.
 

Chester

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We all agree that man is inherently sinful and that he cannot redeem himself by any work.
We can all quote verses about the sinfulness of man.

I'm interested in the BEST verses you have that SAY [NOT JUST "IMPLY"] that a lost man cannot believe the gospel.

If you had to choose, say, the 3 clearest and most relevant verses to answer the question, what would they be?

Please, please, give the BEST and only 3.

Thanks.
( borrowed this post with permission)
Sorry, I cannot find a single verse that explicitly says that a lost man cannot believe the gospel. If you didn't have that word "believe" in what you are looking for maybe I could find such a verse. But you ask for a verse that says, and not implies, that a lost man cannot believe the gospel. There is no such verse. (or if there is, someone please post it!)
 

Nehemiah6

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If a man could cause another to believe the truth of the work of Christ then salvation through faith by hearing would be the work of clever human oratory and persuasion rather than "the power of God"
You are forgetting that I mentioned the Holy Spirit in connection with the Gospel. You are also forgetting that Paul said that even if men preached the Gospel in pretense, it was still being preached.

PHILIPPIANS 1: THE GOSPEL IS THE POWER OF GOD UNTO SALVATION
15 Some indeed preach Christ even of envy and strife; and some also of good will:
16 The one preach Christ of contention, not sincerely, supposing to add affliction to my bonds:
17 But the other of love, knowing that I am set for the defence of the gospel.
18 What then? notwithstanding, every way, whether in pretence, or in truth, Christ is preached; and I therein do rejoice, yea, and will rejoice.
 

ForestGreenCook

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Agrippa knew the OT scriptures.
The gospel of Christ is not the old law, but the new. 2 Cor 3:6, for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life. Agrippa did not have the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, and was, but, a natural man.
 

ForestGreenCook

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chapter 2 says nothing about the natural man thinks the gospel is foolishness .
10But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.
The gospel "IS" the things of the Spirit. Verse 10, the "US" are those who have been born again with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Read verse 11 also, which divides the spirit of man from the Spirit of God.