My take on water baptism...

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garee said:
I think being converted by hearing the gospel in the twinkling of the eye (under ten seconds) ;)

The Eunuch like Philip had a desire as a member of the priesthood of believers to apply the ceremonial law as a shadow . So that he too like Phillip could plant the seed and water it with the doctrines of God in a living Hope Christ would apply it to the hearts of those who hear the call of faith. Away he went with his new tongue the gospel, preaching the good news.

1 Corinthians 3:6 I have planted, Apollos watered; but God gave the increase.

No man will be found with a self-righteousness edifying their own self.
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I can agree with you. God did not care if two guys wanted to play with water if it made them feel happy. Just don't tell me it's doctrine for the Church of God to play with water.
 
garee said:
Sure it is . Its what the question was about in John 3 :25-26.

What is a person from the tribe of Judah doing having been baptized by the last of member of the tribe of Levi (John) and now Jesus is performing that ceremonial law baptizing others?

John knew that a change in the priesthood was coming after the order of Melchedik our high priest eternally for ever and ever continually.

Psalm 110:4 The Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek.

Hebrews 5:6 As he saith also in another place, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 5:10 Called of God an high priest after the order of Melchisedec.

Hebrews 6:20 Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.

John the last Levi.... did not say; "I have no idea what a person from the tribe of Judah is doing in the place of a Levi"?

But rather as the Holy Spirit put his words of John's tongue. . . "A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven".

John 3:25-27 Then there arose a question between some of John's disciples and the Jews about purifying. And they came unto John, and said unto him, Rabbi, he that was with thee beyond Jordan, to whom thou barest witness, behold, the same baptizeth, and all men come to him. John answered and said, A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from heaven.
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John 3 :25-26 and what Jesus did on the Earth has nothing to do with the Church of God that started after the Lord was resurrected out from among the dead.
 
fredoheaven said:
There's two in Corinthians and the household of Stephanas.

1 Timothy 6: 3 If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;

1 Corinthians 1:14 King James Version (KJV)
14 I thank God that I baptized none of you, but Crispus and Gaius;
King James Version (KJV)
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No water mentioned in 1 Corinthians 1:14
 
Nehemiah6 said:
They do not see it GOD'S WAY.
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I believe most Christians worship the Lord in vain teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. You see it's not about us and how well we walk and try to be good or how much water we play with. It's about him. The walk is not about us. The end result is being strong in him and in the power of his might. Nobody I have communicated with on here can understand what I'm saying because they can only see themselves. They walk in their own dead nature and play word games with me. The kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
 
Peterlag said:
I believe most Christians worship the Lord in vain teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. You see it's not about us and how well we walk and try to be good or how much water we play with. It's about him. The walk is not about us. The end result is being strong in him and in the power of his might. Nobody I have communicated with on here can understand what I'm saying because they can only see themselves. They walk in their own dead nature and play word games with me. The kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
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i understand and agree that the baptism which is effectual is not the one done by human hands but by the hand of God. this, Simon Peter also understood at Cornelius' house, when he saw that the Spirit was poured out on unbaptized Gentiles the moment they believed -- but that apostle found it ludicrous to withhold water when he saw what God had done.

Paul also understood this when he wrote explaining that the circumcision which is effectual is likewise not the one by the hands of men, but the cutting of the heart by the hand of God. God also understands this, yet He commanded Abraham, and He commanded all the Israelites in the law, to do this in the flesh.

i agree that in our day, H2O immersion can be just as much a hypocrite's idol and a snare as circumcision was when Paul wrote Galatians. i think, however, that in terms of this thread topic, our time is better served in establishing that the keeping of this sign when it is not of faith may be as damning as taking the cup of communion "in an unworthy manner" -- as sending a message by the hand of a fool ((Prov. 26:6)). i do not believe you have a case for the claim that H2O immersion was not practiced by the disciples or the early church:
(1) it seems clear to me that Acts 10 is a definite counterexample
(2) there is abundant historical evidence of its early practice in terms of a continuation of those things passed down by the apostles
(3) just because you don't see the word "water" in Paul's epistles doesn't mean he did not teach it -- his epistles when they mention baptism are expository, speaking of the meaning of the signs, meant to instruct in wisdom, and he makes distinction between 'immersion' and being filled with the Spirit. a clear example is 1 Cor. 1:14 -- he himself baptized some -- compared with later in the same epistle, 1 Cor. 12:11-14, where he indicates that all of us are baptized by the Spirit - the Spirit's own work. throughout the NT the disciples laid hands on people in prayer, that they might receive the Spirit - a different action than baptism.

i see Acts 10 as an insurmountable hurdle for your argument -- not for the argument that H2O immersion by the hands of men is neither strictly necessary nor sufficient unto salvation, but for the argument you made that the apostles & the church never practiced it after pentecost.
 
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Peterlag said:
I believe most Christians worship the Lord in vain teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. You see it's not about us and how well we walk and try to be good or how much water we play with. It's about him. The walk is not about us. The end result is being strong in him and in the power of his might. Nobody I have communicated with on here can understand what I'm saying because they can only see themselves. They walk in their own dead nature and play word games with me. The kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
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What a comedian you are. Disrespecting the ordinance of water baptism and talking down to others while doing so. Hilarious. Enjoy the god you have created in your image.
 
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hornetguy said:
to the OP..... your "take" is wrong, scripturally. You are purposely mis-understanding scripture, to support your personal beliefs.

What was the final command Jesus gave the disciples?
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he gave many commands. If your going to hold any of those commands as a requirement for salvation. You are producing a works based gospel
 
Peterlag said:
No water mentioned in 1 Corinthians 1:14
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Umm, to see is to believe...since you didn't saw any water, there is no water. Consenting to the wholesome words of Christ is referring to to his command in Matthew 28. It needs to believe in order to see.
 
Peterlag said:
John 3 :25-26 and what Jesus did on the Earth has nothing to do with the Church of God that started after the Lord was resurrected out from among the dead.
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Peterlag said:
John 3 :25-26 and what Jesus did on the Earth has nothing to do with the Church of God that started after the Lord was resurrected out from among the dead.
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Still trying to preach self righteousness?

The church called the chaste virgin bride of Christ had its beginning in Genesis .Abel a member as part of the bride is the first prophet, apostle and first martyr. He had the power of Christ working in him just as we do today . We walk by faith

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.
The church continued after the demonstration .The veil is still rent men are still entering the first ressurection.

Can't make up starting points.

The Lamb of God was slain from before the foundation of the word.

The propmised ressurection came during the ressurection .The graves of the old testament saints like Abel whose blood cried out were opened .

Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Jesus is the the door or ressurection gate to the heavenly city that he prepared for his bride.

Will you enter in according to His power?
 
Guojing said:
Would you accept the possibility that the GC was only meant for the 12, and not to us former gentiles?
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GC contain the preaching of the gospel to every creature, it's always to be the Jew first, then Greeks (gentiles), Jerusalem to the uttermost part of the earth.
 
Guojing said:
Would you accept the possibility that the GC was only meant for the 12, and not to us former gentiles?
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God does not save tribes or nations .Not all Israel, or the new name he named His bride Christian to represent the bride of all nation are born again Israel. He saves individual souls as two walking in agreement to His word. Again not Tribes or Nations but people .

12 represents a remnant of the whole set aside for a particle reason .There is 27 apostles listed to include Jesus the apostle, prophet and high priest .

In Revelation both Judas and the tribe of Dan are missing . It in that parable it reveals the reasons he chose 12 and not 13 or 11 . Search for the reason as searching for silver or gold .Mixing faith in what is seen.
 
Peterlag said:
The new person should repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (by his authority) for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the holy spirit.
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Peterlag said:
I believe most Christians worship the Lord in vain teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. You see it's not about us and how well we walk and try to be good or how much water we play with. It's about him. The walk is not about us. The end result is being strong in him and in the power of his might. Nobody I have communicated with on here can understand what I'm saying because they can only see themselves. They walk in their own dead nature and play word games with me. The kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.
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You attempt (unsuccessfully) to teach people that no one needs to be baptized in water today.
You will be rejected because it is false teaching.
You are not strong in the Lord or the power of His might because you are in opposition to Him. Operating out of your own mind and delusion. You are not convincing anyone not because we are all dead but because you are trying to teach a ridiculous lie.

What type of church do you attend? Is it made up of just one person or are there more like you?
 
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garee said:
Still trying to preach self righteousness?

The church called the chaste virgin bride of Christ had its beginning in Genesis .Abel a member as part of the bride is the first prophet, apostle and first martyr. He had the power of Christ working in him just as we do today . We walk by faith

2 Corinthians 4:7 But we have this treasure in jars of clay to show that this all-surpassing power is from God and not from us.
The church continued after the demonstration .The veil is still rent men are still entering the first ressurection.

Can't make up starting points.

The Lamb of God was slain from before the foundation of the word.

The propmised ressurection came during the ressurection .The graves of the old testament saints like Abel whose blood cried out were opened .

Hebrews 12:24 to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant, and to the sprinkled blood that speaks a better word than the blood of Abel.

Jesus is the the door or ressurection gate to the heavenly city that he prepared for his bride.

Will you enter in according to His power?
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I have no idea how you get self righteousness out of a statement saying the church of God started after the Lord was resurrected out from among the dead. No clue.
 
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