My take on water baptism...

[Cor]

Not going to learn without asking, so here goes...what other way is their for man to baptize? John the Baptist baptized with water, and Jesus Himself was baptized with water.
Thanks.

Somethings may be past our understanding for that age.
Why did Jesus get Baptized?

What we do know is it was to fullfill something...right?

John knew who He was when the spirit/dove came upon Him....was that so that Israrl would recognize him. It sure was an announcenent.

Almost seems like God annoiting Him king for a new era...but I dont know why I think that.

Don't know. What I do know is the Eunich was a Christian for 10 seconds. Do you think in 10 seconds that he was now an expert on Church doctrine?

Did he need to be?

 

[Lafftur]

Romans 6 and Colossians 2 are about water baptism. Baptism in the New Testament means baptism by IMMERSION. That is the primary meaning of the Greek word baptizo.

The one who is being baptized is *buried* in water, and then raised up out of the water. This signifies (1) the believer's full identification with the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ, and (2) the sinner's death to the old life and *resurrection* into newness of life. Early Christians would renounce the world, the flesh, and the devil at their baptism. This would still be valid.

There are too many who simply do not understand THE POWER of Christian baptism. And then there those false teachers who teach that Christian baptism is no longer necessary.

1. Water baptism does not wash away sins, but confirms that sins have been washed away by the blood of the Lamb.

2. Water baptism does not save, but confirms that the person being baptized is already saved by God's grace through faith in Christ.

3. Water baptism does not confer the gift of the Holy Spirit, but confirms that the believer has already received the gift of the Spirit.

4. Water baptism does not produce the New Birth, but confirms that the sinner has been born again and become a child of God.

Great post!

John the Baptist was water baptizing people for the remission of sins which prepared them to receive their Messiah.

However, John the Baptist was NOT water baptizing Jesus Christ The Messiah for the same reason, rather the water baptism of Jesus Christ was to "fulfill ALL righteousness."

Matthew 3:13-17 New International Version (NIV)
The Baptism of Jesus
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”


It is good to be water baptized, even Jesus Christ chose to do it to fulfill all righteousness for us and He was in covenant agreement with the Father. It pleased the Father when Jesus Christ was water baptized.

The righteous work of water baptism was recorded in the physical body of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for us. However, we simply are water baptized because it is a sign of covenant with God for New Life in Christ and it pleases our Father in heaven that we do so.

Water Baptism does NOT save us, it is just an outward sign and declaration that we are in covenant with God, just as circumcision was for the Jew - a sign of covenant.

Paul equates water baptism with circumcision which is NOT for salvation but, for a sign of covenant with God......

Colossians 2:11-13 New International Version (NIV)
11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh[a] was put off when you were circumcised by[b] Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Romans 6 is not water baptism. Romans 6 talks about the new man of God being immersed into the death and burial of Christ, and that because were were immersed in Christ. We shall be raised in his likeness

Col 2 is not about water baptism it is about the spiritual circumcision done by the hand of God through the spiritual baptism performed by the one who raised him from the dead (the HS)

 

[fredoheaven]

As in my first post to you, I am trying to find out whether you will insist that you are 100% correct in your doctrine.

After all, you are 100% sure the instructions in Genesis 6 regarding the ark was not written to you correct?

For a full info regards to number to whom had he given the command is found in the book of Acts 1:13, twelve (12) less one (1) Judas Iscariot cp. Acts 1:2.

 

[garee]

Great post!

John the Baptist was water baptizing people for the remission of sins which prepared them to receive their Messiah.

However, John the Baptist was NOT water baptizing Jesus Christ The Messiah for the same reason, rather the water baptism of Jesus Christ was to "fulfill ALL righteousness."

Matthew 3:13-17 New International Version (NIV)
The Baptism of Jesus
13 Then Jesus came from Galilee to the Jordan to be baptized by John. 14 But John tried to deter him, saying, “I need to be baptized by you, and do you come to me?”

15 Jesus replied, “Let it be so now; it is proper for us to do this to fulfill all righteousness.” Then John consented.

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”


It is good to be water baptized, even Jesus Christ chose to do it to fulfill all righteousness for us and He was in covenant agreement with the Father. It pleased the Father when Jesus Christ was water baptized.

The righteous work of water baptism was recorded in the physical body of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for us. However, we simply are water baptized because it is a sign of covenant with God for New Life in Christ and it pleases our Father in heaven that we do so.

Water Baptism does NOT save us, it is just an outward sign and declaration that we are in covenant with God, just as circumcision was for the Jew - a sign of covenant.

Paul equates water baptism with circumcision which is NOT for salvation but, for a sign of covenant with God......

Colossians 2:11-13 New International Version (NIV)
11 In him you were also circumcised with a circumcision not performed by human hands. Your whole self ruled by the flesh[a] was put off when you were circumcised by[b] Christ, 12 having been buried with him in baptism, in which you were also raised with him through your faith in the working of God, who raised him from the dead.

13 When you were dead in your sins and in the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you[c] alive with Christ. He forgave us all our sins,

Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins

Two kinds of baptism one seen the ceremonial reckoned with water seen and the other that comes by "preaching "words of the gospel" in a hope of the remission of sin.

John performed both . He preached the gospel in a hope of the remission of sin the duties of those born again . John as a Levi baptized Jesus from the tribe of Judah .The fulfilment of the new order the priesthood of believers from all the nation Then the gentiles as well as a outward Jew who were given desire to become a member of the new priesthood could do the same.

No such thing as a sign gift. Spiritual after the unseen Spirit that works in us unseen, yes.

No outward sign to confirm a person is a believer (No need) .Believers as a kingdom of priest walk by faith the unseen work of God that works in a new creature. We have the power of Christ our bodies of death His power is not of us . Life comes from life not from dead things . Jesus said its a evil faithless generation that seek after a sign before they will believe. Like the example below.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

 

[Lafftur]

Mark 1:4 John did baptize in the wilderness, and preach the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins

Two kinds of baptism one seen the ceremonial reckoned with water seen and the other that comes by "preaching "words of the gospel" in a hope of the remission of sin.

John performed both . He preached the gospel in a hope of the remission of sin the duties of those born again . John as a Levi baptized Jesus from the tribe of Judah .The fulfilment of the new order the priesthood of believers from all the nation Then the gentiles as well as a outward Jew who were given desire to become a member of the new priesthood could do the same.

No such thing as a sign gift. Spiritual after the unseen Spirit that works in us unseen, yes.

No outward sign to confirm a person is a believer (No need) .Believers as a kingdom of priest walk by faith the unseen work of God that works in a new creature. We have the power of Christ our bodies of death His power is not of us . Life comes from life not from dead things . Jesus said its a evil faithless generation that seek after a sign before they will believe. Like the example below.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.

Oh garee.......I was only talking about WATER Baptism. Were you ever water baptized?

 

[hornetguy]

to the OP..... your "take" is wrong, scripturally. You are purposely mis-understanding scripture, to support your personal beliefs.

What was the final command Jesus gave the disciples?

 

[Guojing]

For a full info regards to number to whom had he given the command is found in the book of Acts 1:13, twelve (12) less one (1) Judas Iscariot cp. Acts 1:2.

Okay the 11, I use the 12 as a generic point.

If you want to leave Matthias out, it does not change my point

 

[Guojing]

If it was directed only to the 12, then they would have needed to be sure to tell their converts not to evangelize. Furthermore what then was Paul and others in Acts doing evangelizing the world?

Our great commission is based on 2 cor 5:11-19.

 

[garee]

Oh garee.......I was only talking about WATER Baptism. Were you ever water baptized?

You referred to the baptism of remission of sin which prepared them to receive their Messiah. .The preaching of the gospel .
Yes I was. It was called by my home church where I first heard the gospel and believed, a "believers baptism" . Not a outward sign confirming the work I did perform of getting wet, a ceremony or shadow of the unseen eternal, But a desire to join the priesthood of the new order no longer after a Levi .

 

[Scribe]

You referred to the baptism of remission of sin which prepared them to receive their Messiah. .The preaching of the gospel .
Yes I was. It was called by my home church where I first heard the gospel and believed, a "believers baptism" . Not a outward sign confirming the work I did perform of getting wet, a ceremony or shadow of the unseen eternal, But a desire to join the priesthood of the new order no longer after a Levi .

They told you that you were joining the priesthood when they water baptized you?

 

[posthuman]

I think being converted by hearing the gospel in the twinkling of the eye (under ten seconds)

the eyes contain the fastest muscles in the human body, and a saccade may be the most rapid movement they make.
they take place in as little as 0.02 seconds, with an angular velocity of up to 300 degrees per second.

 

[garee]

They told you that you were joining the priesthood when they water baptized you?

No .That's what it turns out to be. No outward sign using the temporal. Anything not of faith "the unseen", is sin .

The Kingdom God does not come by observation .That's a idea of the faithless Pharisees with Sadducees both follow the pagan foundation out of sight out of mind. No need for faith. They made Jesus into a circus seal . show us a wonderment or miracle. Who needs faith when they can wonder using their own imagination . Some fall backward slain by the Spirit. (side shows) .Jesus said marvel at the miracle not but rather believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

The pagan foundation of fools, out of sight out of mind

 

[Scribe]

No .That's what it turns out to be. No outward sign using the temporal. Anything not of faith "the unseen", is sin .

The Kingdom God does not come by observation .That's a idea of the faithless Pharisees with Sadducees both follow the pagan foundation out of sight out of mind. No need for faith. They made Jesus into a circus seal . show us a wonderment or miracle. Who needs faith when they can wonder using their own imagination . Some fall backward slain by the Spirit. (side shows) .Jesus said marvel at the miracle not but rather believe.

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

The pagan foundation of fools, out of sight out of mind

Better get that tunnel vision checked out soon.

 

[Nehemiah6]

Romans 6 is not water baptism.

Not so. The term "buried with Him by baptism into death" confirms that Romans 6 is about water baptism.

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

It should be obvious that no one was literally buried with Christ when He was placed in His tomb. But spiritually and metaphorically, every believer who is baptized by immersion is buried with Him by baptism into death. This is further confirmed here: "planted together in the likeness of His death". The burial of the believer under water is "in the likeness of His death", since that person is still alive. "Likeness" means resemblance. So baptism by immersion resembles the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ (with which the believer is fully identified as we see in this chapter).

Also Paul says "therefore". So we must ask ourselves "wherefore". And the "wherefore" is that FIRST we were "baptized into Jesus". This ties in with TWO spiritual baptisms: (1) the baptism WITH Holy Spirit by Christ (who is the Baptizer) and believers receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and (2) the baptism BY the Holy Spirit (who baptizes believers into the Body of Christ -- 1 Cor 12:13).

 

[Nehemiah6]

In Romans 6, the word used is ἐβαπτίσθημεν (ebaptisthēmen), meaning: Lit: I dip, submerge, but specifically of ceremonial dipping; I baptize.

Romans 6 has been explained above. And Christian baptism is by immersion or submersion for the reasons given.

 

[Scribe]

Not so. The term "buried with Him by baptism into death" confirms that Romans 6 is about water baptism.

3 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
4 Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
5 For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:

It should be obvious that no one was literally buried with Christ when He was placed in His tomb. But spiritually and metaphorically, every believer who is baptized by immersion is buried with Him by baptism into death. This is further confirmed here: "planted together in the likeness of His death". The burial of the believer under water is "in the likeness of His death", since that person is still alive. "Likeness" means resemblance. So baptism by immersion resembles the death, burial, and resurrection of Christ (with which the believer is fully identified as we see in this chapter).

Also Paul says "therefore". So we must ask ourselves "wherefore". And the "wherefore" is that FIRST we were "baptized into Jesus". This ties in with TWO spiritual baptisms: (1) the baptism WITH Holy Spirit by Christ (who is the Baptizer) and believers receive the gift of the Holy Spirit, and (2) the baptism BY the Holy Spirit (who baptizes believers into the Body of Christ -- 1 Cor 12:13).

I can't even guess what other interpretation someone has come up with besides water baptism on Romans 6. I have not come across a different interpretation in my reading of other commentaries and bible references.

 

[garee]

Better get that tunnel vision checked out soon.

Tunnel vision? How ?

 

[Peterlag]

Somethings may be past our understanding for that age.
Why did Jesus get Baptized?

What we do know is it was to fullfill something...right?

John knew who He was when the spirit/dove came upon Him....was that so that Israrl would recognize him. It sure was an announcenent.

Almost seems like God annoiting Him king for a new era...but I dont know why I think that.

Did he need to be?

The new person should repent, and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ (by his authority) for the remission of sins and ye shall receive the gift of the holy spirit.

 

[Peterlag]

Yeah i quoted it. That reply is not an answer to justifying your private interpretation of Acts 10:47-48

Unless the justification you are resting your case on is 100% eisegesis, that is, you have no Biblical basis for this claim you just project your personal feelings onto it despite what the text says.

Is that the substance of your view?
That you cannot defend it, you only assert it?
I can't just take your assertion about Acts 10. As I explained, as far as I can tell, without you giving a better explanation, the Bible clearly contradicts what you are saying about it.

I believe most Christians worship the Lord in vain teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. You see it's not about us and how well we walk and try to be good or how much water we play with. It's about him. The walk is not about us. The end result is being strong in him and in the power of his might. Nobody I have communicated with on here can understand what I'm saying because they can only see themselves. They walk in their own dead nature and play word games with me. The kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.