It is exactly what you said. Now, 'I may have interpreted what you said incorrectly' or 'you may not meant to say what you wrote, but it is a direct quote'.
Why are you accusing me of lying again. It is a direct quote. You said it, that is what quote means. This is the second time you have accused me of lying. Did you ever think it might be just a mistake on my part .... or a mistake on your part?
Hey, I think you are a well meaning guy, but words have meaning ... stop the false accusations against me for lying. I don't think you mean to say these things out of malice ... I think you are unable to articulate your thoughts at times and this causes confusion and that is exasperated by inferring people are lying.
... ANYWAYS, if I made an incorrect statement about something which I admit I do though I try not to, feel free to state your opinion ... but stop inferring I am purposely being untruthful.
Again, you take things too personal. People who disagree with you are lying or being disingenuous. Perhaps the problem is you say "A" and mean "B" and when someone reads your post and sees "A" and talks about "A" you think they are lying because you thought you were talking about "B". Or perhaps you posted about "A" and the person misinterpreted and thought you meant "B" and responds to "B". Hey, mistakes happen. Stop thinking the worst of people and assume they are lying. I assume you would never intentionally lie (I could be wrong, others don't agree) ... but I giving you the benefit of the doubt.
Aside: Most of my post was not directed to you ... I just used it as a jumping off point to discuss issues of "those who believe God elected them because they chose God". To tell you the truth, I am not sure where you stand as your posts have been confusing and I tired of trying to make sense of them.
Aside: Again, I think you are a good guy ... I apologize to a degree for this tough post ... but being accused of dishonestly rattled my cage.
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Eternally-gratefull said:
God said I will go and pay for sin, and these people who will come to faith and ask me to save them, I chose or elect to save.
I am looking at this quote again to see if I made some sort of comprehension mistake.
Hmmmmm...
I am almost certain you believe God died for everyone (note: if this is incorrect don't accuse me of lying, this is my best guess and you can correct me if I am wrong)
Hmmm ... God won't die for everyone ... oh, I give up .... your previous posts on the subject left me scratching my head so I won't be able to unscramble it now ... I apologize for accidentally saying something that you think was a lie even though I have no clue what you are talking about ... I will assume you don't just throw out the word 'liar' casually or in anger
Good day sir
1. nothing my my post insists that a person was chosen by their own power of comming to faith,
2. the argument that was being “proven” by this so called quote was that god chose me based on the fact I CHOSE him, nothing in that post said I chose god, saying “I chose god” and saying ” I have faith in God“ is two different things, and to say otherwise is dishonest, this is where bearing false witness comes in
not only was the argument, on that fact basis that I said “I chose God and that is why God chose me” it is also stated that I am MERITING my salvation because of faith and this is the remark used to prove it.
if this is the argument, it MUST be assumed I came to faith on my own power with no direction or help from God, how else could I merit salvation? And I never stated such a thing.
it is the tactic of those who are no defending to play this game, that’s why I had them on ignore to begin with and now am going to ignore whatever they say unless they start their lies and inflammatory posts again,
if you feel offended because I am sick of being told I insinuated something I did not, I can not help it
if you feel justified of declaring I merit my salvation because I made a statement that I never made, then I can not help that
put yourself in my Shoes.
if you catch me saying something and I deny it, yet it is proven I did say it, I will gladly and openly confess it, I think I proved that many times on here.
but when others continually insist that I made a claim i never made. Well
and by the way, if you think I am just using this as an excuse and it was not the argument,I will prove it to you
You teach God chooses others because they chose him. You then teach he chose you because you chose him, making you special for doing so, which merited him choosing you.
That is merit, not grace.
Exactly! He teaches that
God chose him because he chose God. Since God saw he would do that he teaches God elected him because of it. That is merit, not grace. Again, grace is unmerited favor.
Nope, that's not what I believe.
Its hilarious you believe God chose you because you chose him, which is merit, not grace then accuse others of being special. Lol!
there is a lot more where ths comes from.
can you show me where in the post you just claimed I said whatbi was accused of saying says I CHOSE GOD? Because I can not see it,
I see that I said God chose people who would eventually come to faith in him and based on that fact, not that they chose God, that they TRUSTED GOD, yu claim you trusted God did you not? Did you merit salvation because god drew you, thought you, convicted you and led you?
let’s get real, these things must stop, I personally am sick of these things that draw away from the purpose of this thread,