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GandalfTheWhite

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jackrosie said:
Did you also miss the scripture that says,whoever the Father gives to the Son,they will never be plucked from him.

Are you blind to that truth?
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Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

Jackrosie, God said it to Moses, but yet He gave Israel a bill of divorce because they chose not to serve Him anymore. So either, God is lying or you don’t understand John 10:29. The word deliver in Deuteronomy is natsal and it means to snatch away, strip or plunder, to be torn out or away.

While we are in covenant with God we cannot be snatched away, but when we choose to leave He will give us a bill of divorce, just like he did with Israel.
 
stonesoffire

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mailmandan said:
I did my research on Hebrews 10:26 and it’s important that we properly harmonize Scripture with Scripture before reaching our conclusion on doctrine. See post #19 from the link below.

https://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/that-hebrews-10v26-thread.189675/
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I started to read MDan, but came to the word willfull right off the bat so to speak... In scripture it’s wilful, So I looked to see the difference.

Now does this then make a difference? In my thinking it does.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

Jackrosie, God said it to Moses, but yet He gave Israel a bill of divorce because they chose not to serve Him anymore. So either, God is lying or you don’t understand John 10:29. The word deliver in Deuteronomy is natsal and it means to snatch away, strip or plunder, to be torn out or away.

While we are in covenant with God we cannot be snatched away, but when we choose to leave He will give us a bill of divorce, just like he did with Israel.
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Not those He redeemed through His offering of His Son.

The body of Christ is both Jew and Gentile who believe and receive. Would Father ever divorce His Son?

Members of His body and He keeps His body whole.
 
GandalfTheWhite

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stonesoffire said:
Not those He redeemed through His offering of His Son.

The body of Christ is both Jew and Gentile who believe and receive. Would Father ever divorce His Son?

Members of His body and He keeps His body whole.
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His Son is the groom so this is a moot point, we are the bride....
 
Lafftur

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stonesoffire said:
Why is it all these years I’ve known you, your focus has always been on the negative? Do you think you alone are greater than the keeping power of Holy Spirit? Did you forget that Jesus said that the promises are yes and amen?

You seem to want to pull down the foundation out of everyone’s life.

Nothing we do will keep us in Jesus. Only His love that’s found in His Word and Spirit. Truth is freeing Dot. Your hurt you nurse only festers. So forgive all who betrayed.
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I agree. DorothyMae- you are ONLY a victim if you see yourself as a victim. You CAN BE AN OVERCOMER, NOT VICTIM, if you can see yourself IN CHRIST.

If the person that hurt you claimed to be a Christian, know that it is as if a brother or sister in a family hurt you....take the offense to Daddy God.

Ask for recompense and correction, ask for your heart and emotions to be healed, and ask for help to forgive the person(s).

You are loved DorothyMae. We don’t agree with losing salvation BUT, you are loved.
 
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Lafftur said:
I agree. DorothyMae- you are ONLY a victim if you see yourself as a victim. You CAN BE AN OVERCOMER, NOT VICTIM, if you can see yourself IN CHRIST.

If the person that hurt you claimed to be a Christian, know that it is as if a brother or sister in a family hurt you....take the offense to Daddy God.

Ask for recompense and correction, ask for your heart and emotions to be healed, and ask for help to forgive the person(s).

You are loved DorothyMae. We don’t agree with losing salvation BUT, you are loved.
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I like this post... we will not always agree on the word of God. Even the disciples had their differences :)
 
Lafftur

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GandalfTheWhite said:
I like this post... we will not always agree on the word of God. Even the disciples had their differences :)
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You are blind and ignorant and need discernment!

DorothyMae has been hurt by someone claiming to be a Christian and now wants all Christians that commit any sin to lose their salvation- this is DorothyMae’s JUDGMENT - NOT GOD’S.
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

Jackrosie, God said it to Moses, but yet He gave Israel a bill of divorce because they chose not to serve Him anymore. So either, God is lying or you don’t understand John 10:29. The word deliver in Deuteronomy is natsal and it means to snatch away, strip or plunder, to be torn out or away.

While we are in covenant with God we cannot be snatched away, but when we choose to leave He will give us a bill of divorce, just like he did with Israel.
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Jesus said to Nicodemus...only a born again will see the Kingdom Of God.....I am a born again..I am a child of God....and I have eternity in the Lord’s Kingdom...

I will never be taken from Jesus!....,,,,,”NEVER”...that was testified to my spirit....from the Holy Spirit!
 
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GandalfTheWhite said:
Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.

John 10:29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father's hand.

Jackrosie, God said it to Moses, but yet He gave Israel a bill of divorce because they chose not to serve Him anymore. So either, God is lying or you don’t understand John 10:29. The word deliver in Deuteronomy is natsal and it means to snatch away, strip or plunder, to be torn out or away.

While we are in covenant with God we cannot be snatched away, but when we choose to leave He will give us a bill of divorce, just like he did with Israel.
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You once again are conflating God's dealing with a nation and His dealing with individuals.

There is no bill of divorce for those that are saved.
 
jackrosie

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Lafftur said:
You are blind and ignorant and need discernment!

DorothyMae has been hurt by someone claiming to be a Christian and now wants all Christians that commit any sin to lose their salvation- this is DorothyMae’s JUDGMENT - NOT GOD’S.
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Amen!!......from what I can see of her posts.....she has been hurt.......but she won’t take us down with her......

She needs a lot of prayer....God needs to place that on my heart...because at the moment I am unable to pray for her!.
 
GandalfTheWhite

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Lafftur said:
You are blind and ignorant and need discernment!

DorothyMae has been hurt by someone claiming to be a Christian and now wants all Christians that commit any sin to lose their salvation- this is DorothyMae’s JUDGMENT - NOT GOD’S.
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My eyes are open, thank you friend :) and I have discernment.
 
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A Born Again knows they have eternal security.....I do pray for those who don’t know it in their spirit and mind..that the Lord will bring them to that knowledge..

In Jesus Name....Amen!
 
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DorothyMae said:
These words stand on their own

Shipwrecked, abandoned, cut off, left, departed, withered, no root in themselves, “will you also leave,” outer darkness, worse state than before...

You ...choose, continue, pray, obey

Neglecting what He requires of us is dangerous.
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All of those can only be understood within a central truth salvation is secure.

Scripture does not contradict itself.

If salvation is not secure then no one is saved because we cannot save nor keep ourselves saved....not possible....and the very words you listed prove OSAS and that it is all because of God's keeping promises.
 
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jackrosie said:
Jesus said to Nicodemus...only a born again will see the Kingdom Of God.....I am a born again..I am a child of God....and I have eternity in the Lord’s Kingdom...

I will never be taken from Jesus!....,,,,,”NEVER”...that was testified to my spirit....from the Holy Spirit!
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Your emotional outburst is what it is, and emotional outburst. The word of God explains the word of God as I showed you :)
 
Lafftur

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EleventhHour said:
You once again are conflating God's dealing with a nation and His dealing with individuals.

There is no bill of divorce for those that are saved.
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Correct! A Father CANNOT divorce His Child.....BIRTH is different than MARRIAGE.....perhaps ALL Believers are Children but, NOT all Believers are The Bride......:unsure:
 
GandalfTheWhite

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jackrosie said:
A Born Again knows they have eternal security.....I do pray for those who don’t know it in their spirit and mind..that the Lord will bring them to that knowledge..

In Jesus Name....Amen!
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So what about the people telling Jesus we did wonders in your name? Maybe they are part of this group you are describing here my friend.
 
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