Not By Works

Say what??

He listened to Satan in the sense that he heard the communication and responded but that response was not in agreement. One has to listen to the other to know how to respond. Doesn’t mean acquiesce to the wishes of the other.

Well she can do it in private now. I can no longer see what she says

Move on from salvation is my whole goal. There is more than salvation in Christ. Let’s stop discussing salvation by all means.

Do you really see that sinning makes all Christians miserable? Really? Don’t you see repetitive sin even here and no misery is detected? There is the theory and there is reality. They aren’t the same.

I actually don’t see that it’s natural for new believers to question their salvation. I cannot recall ever wondering. I think the real salvation experience is so remarkable that the change is a new creature. I do see that merely dry eyed praying a prayer and others pronouncing you “now saved for eternity” might result in uncertainty.

Now I notice you clearly admit we can quench, resist and grieve the Holy Spirit. That is mainly what I also wanted to say. We can do all of these and He is less in our lives if we do. Do you agree ?

Hate spell check. Lol

If you incapable of falling into a particular sin you can not be tempted of that sin

Even better for me.

Exactly how can one become a NEW creation in Christ under "your un-biblical formula" when He did not atone for all your sins....past present and future?

God doesn’t see our sin they are hidden in Christ.....we have been cleansed from sin and are a new creation in him....our journey begins....our true journey that is....because God brought us to his truth.

God is the truth.......the world isn’t.?????

Yes and we must remember as I was taught, being the daughter of farmers .... that the vine is in the receiving position, it is not in in

the position of feeding the tree.

I’ve never considered whether or not you’re proud. My focus is on your being deceived and deceitful.

In case anyone needs clarification, this "thread" is about Works do not save." Of course, other stuff has creeped in and for the most part that's okay but as someone suggested, "can we go on from salvation discussion" um no cause that is the gist of the OP.

God doesn't need proof to know who He has given a new heart....

If we are made His children and born again, we will hear His voice.

We know He is Lord. This isn't something that is in our power to maintain, it is a gift through His mercy.


I don't find it strange people would come to a thread meant to give glory to Him and miss the whole point.


We live in a world that isn't our home and there is much to be done.... Time is ticking...

There are many who would pervert the love of God and excuse many wicked things as "normal" or "ok" and ignore God's will completely in their lives.... all while professing to be one of His children....


But that doesn't change the gospel.

These people looking for a free ticket to enjoy the world as they please while never knowing Christ... They don't fool God any more than those who would say Lord Lord... have I not done many wonderful works...


When we are made new and no longer enemies, our flesh will remember it's pleasures... temptation is still trying to work its way into our thoughts, but we are no longer in bondage to it... He is with us and ready to deliver us from these things


If you fail you're still His son and come judgement would be covered by the righteousness of Jesus opposed to your own...


There is a huge difference between someone who would submit to Gods righteousness

see themselves as in need of a savior

but stumbles in their weakness

lets say someone who was lgbt understanding how perverted that is before God... understanding the gravity of lust and all the destruction it can bring


but on days they grow lazy
avoid their daily bread

get tempted and opposed to holding a thought captive.... sins in their heart through imagination


that already is adultery in their heart


but they will not be ok with what they allowed to go on and desire righteousness in spirit


opposed to someone who heard of Christ, and would even go so far as to say "God made them that way" and lie about Him in order to live as they want

or actually continue to live entirely without CHASTENING....

This sort doesn't appear to hear His voice ...

Seem from the core to be unchanged...

Same inner man...



(unlike peter who denied Jesus openly...multiple times.... even though he KNEW Jesus... and weeped in his shame and guilt)

Salvation is a wonderful gift from God....that we did not work for.

What a wonderful God we serve.

correction ^^^^^

And all of us.

Hope you don't mind me saying but we also need to challenge what it is we believe.
That's the learning part.
Basically what we believe is our foundation that's been built on Jesus. Paul addressed the issue concerning this in Corinthians.

And if the foundation is faulty it will be unstable and we will be thrown around like a ship in a storm.

I had to address this about 8 years ago. Boy it was hard, there was an awful lot of stuff that needed to be dug up and new foundations laid.

Nothing harder than a paradigm shift because the minute satan sees that he will do his best to keep you on the lies that we have been taught or believe.

He who is in us is greater than he who is the world.

Yes, true Christians with a new nature that is now spiritual will be miserable every time they choose to sin.

However, when true Christians follow the leading of the Holy Spirit and deny their flesh, take up their cross and follow Jesus - they will suffer in their flesh but, their spirit and soul will rejoice because they delight to do God's Will and are pleasing in God's sight - it's a great joy!

Sinners that are NOT saved find trying to be good makes them miserable, they're happy just doing their own will and not interested in God at all!

New baby Christians get beat up by Pharisees and legalistic religious folk that judge and condemn them for stumbling over their flesh and not having good works in their life. This is so ridiculous to me - can you imagine telling a new little tomato plant that it CANNOT be a tomato plant because it does not have any visible tomatoes yet!

All the judgmental and critical pointing fingers towards new baby Christians needs to stop. However, older Christians that have been saved for years and know the Bible and are well acquainted with the power of the Holy Spirit - they know better and will be reprimanded more harshly.

The Holy Spirit is never less in our lives - He is a constant companion but, His rivers of living water won't flow abundantly if we are holding on to any sin in our flesh - got to deny our flesh!

Did Adam and Eve have a sin nature when God breathed life into them?

Paul wrote to the Corinthians that they should have been miserable but weren’t. Your theory just isn’t so. If it were true, no NT would have been necessary nor would there ever be quarrels between believers.

So who are the baby christians here. Do you leave them be?