While I was reading this I was thinking how many are in the church today... aaah brother Dan this is a sad post indeed my friend 
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Not By Works
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Why is it sad? It's certainly sad for Judas Iscariot.
Jackrosie, Jesus said to them “I never knew you.” Now either we accept the words of Jesus as spoken and seek to understand or we try to correct Jesus telling him that’s not true what he said. Peter tried that and it didn’t go well.
I really recommend not changing the Bible but instead let it change our thinking. It’s a dangerous habit to disagree with the words written.
I really recommend not changing the Bible but instead let it change our thinking. It’s a dangerous habit to disagree with the words written.
Yes, we see that in Matthew 7:22-23. I have heard certain individuals state they know someone who was truly saved, but later lost their salvation, yet only God truly knows the heart of individuals. Certain people "on the surface" may do a good job of looking like the real deal for a while (like Judas Iscariot, who was an unbelieving, unclean devil who betrayed Jesus - John 6:64-71; 13:10-11) yet to the other 11 disciples, he looked like the real deal, but Jesus knew his heart. There are genuine Christians and there are "nominal" Christians. There are genuine believers and there are make believers.
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Physical salvation is impossible.
All flesh will eventually die regardless of circumstances.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50).
If enduring to the end means not dying in the flesh (in the end times) then the logical conclusion if captured by the beasts army is to get the mark to avoid dying.
Many people today are so focused on saving their flesh that they obey a commandment from man to wear a mask on their face. What do you suppose many will do when faced with the threat of execution if the mark is refused?
All flesh will eventually die regardless of circumstances.
Flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 15:50).
If enduring to the end means not dying in the flesh (in the end times) then the logical conclusion if captured by the beasts army is to get the mark to avoid dying.
Many people today are so focused on saving their flesh that they obey a commandment from man to wear a mask on their face. What do you suppose many will do when faced with the threat of execution if the mark is refused?
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If you do not embrace once saved and always saved then you are relying on SELF for salvation or to maintain salvation.
Scripture is clear there is no "SELF" in salvation.
"and that not of yourselves"
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Ephesians 2:8
Scripture is clear there is no "SELF" in salvation.
"and that not of yourselves"
For by grace you have been saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God,
Ephesians 2:8
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So the understanding of “he who endures the tribulation to the end will be saved” to you means he who physically survives the tribulation will be saved from physical death. Conversely, he who dies in the GT (because he refused the mark) will not be physically saved. Does anyone else see how this is saying nothing if not nonsense? If you died you didn’t survive and weren’t saved and if you survive you lived and so are saved??