Not By Works

One thing I have noticed they change their minds every other hour.

When someone claims allegiance to another "worker for salvation" and yet a few days past argued with the same person that salvation was secure there is a big time problem.

They can’t

That’s why John said they were Never if us If they were they never would have left

Lol

You believe that salvation can be lost

If it can be lost it mUST be earned

I rest my case

Saying it is necessary to do works or you are not SAVED, IS EXACTLY THE SAME THING.

Salvation the moment when we were SAVED, and I believe in Predestination.

So we were it says HE KNOWS WHO ARE HIS, and HE wrote our NAMES IN BOOK OF LIFE BEFORE THE BEGINNING OF TIME.

HE worked out the precise EVENTS to lead us to the DECISION, we want to surrender Control of our LIFES to JESUS as LORD, meaning MASTER, giving HIM complete control of OUR LIVES, out of AGAPE LOVE. One of the First Changes that HE wanted me to do was to quit smoking cigarettes. Of course I argued against that idea. I even told him, "Why should I quit as long as I enjoy it?" So a few days later, I woke up, and my morning routine was to sit on edge of the bead, grab my lighter and pack of cigarettes, and sit there smoking until my morning cigarette was finished. So I lit that morning Cigarette, took a deep puff, AND IT TASTED HORRIBLE! THEN I HEARD A VOICE IN MY HEAD: "WHAT'S YOUR EXCUSE KNOW DUMMY." That was the last cigarette that I ever had. My favorite Aunt died of lung Cancer at 29 years of ago, SO I BELIEVE HE SAVED MY LIFE.

That happened to me PRIOR to being BORN AGAIN, about 1975. I count that believing it was PROOF that I was Predestined, YET, I did not recognized that possibility at that time.

I knew from the very first NIGHT of my third attempt at Suicide, THAT HE CHANGED SOMETHING IN MY HEART {human spirit}, and that LOVE FOR HIM has GROWN more, and more intense ever since. There has NEVER been a day that my life that I DID NOT AGAPE LOVE HIM since that NIGHT.

That MOTIVE OF AGAPE LOVE HAS TO BE THEIR OR ALL OF YOUR WORKS ARE WORTHLESS TO HIM. IT IS NOT THAT YOU DO DEEDS, IT IS WHY YOU DO DEEDS, that COUNTS.

1 John 3:14 (NASB)
14 We know that we have passed out of death into life, because we {agapaô Verb for of the NOUN Agape} love the brethren. He who does not{agapaô} love abides in death.
{WHICH MEANS THEY HAVE NEVER BEEN BORN AGAIN and their human spirit is not eternally alive.}

Exodus 33:11
Thus the Lord used to speak to Moses face to face, just as a man speaks to his friend. When Moses returned to the camp, his servant Joshua, the son of Nun, a young man, would not depart from the tent.

Deuteronomy 34:10
Since that time no prophet has risen in Israel like Moses, whom the Lord knew face to face,

Deuteronomy 5:4
The Lord spoke to you face to face at the mountain from the midst of the fire,

Genesis 32:30
So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said, “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved.”

Numbers 14:14
and they will tell it to the inhabitants of this land. They have heard that You, O Lord, are in the midst of this people, for You, O Lord, are seen eye to eye, while Your cloud stands over them; and You go before them in a pillar of cloud by day and in a pillar of fire by night.

Judges 6:22
When Gideon saw that he was the angel of the Lord, he said, “Alas, O Lord God! For now I have seen the angel of the Lord face to face.”

Ezekiel 20:35
and I will bring you into the wilderness of the peoples, and there I will enter into judgment with you face to face.

Romans1:5

Through him for his names sake,we received grace and apostleship to call people from among all theGentiles to the obedience that comes from faith.
And you also are among those who are called to belong to Jesus Christ.

I meant obedience that comes from faith....

I am not judge..I have quoted scripture...no one has met God face to face.

I think there are different
meanings to seeing the face of God.

Exodus 33:17

And the Lord said to Moses
I will do the very thing you have asked,because I am pleased with you and I know you by name.
Then Moses said,Now show me your glory.
And the Lord said,I will cause all of my goodness to pass in front of you,and I will proclaim my name,the Lord,in your presence.
I will have mercy,and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
But he said,you cannot see my face, for no one may see me and live.

Obedience actually does produce faith. We used to sing “trust and obey” at one time. The disciples grew in their faith as they obeyed specific instructions.

One can wait for faith to be sufficient so one can easily obey, I guess. But I’d ask those who believe this how it’s working out for them?

Afterwards Moses did not go out and tell others that he’d met God face to face. He was humble. He told people what God had said that was pertinent to them. He never tried to tell them how great he was such that God talks to him face to face.

You are right in literal face. But there is another use of that word meaning closeness.

Pulie,may I ask how long have you been a Christian?..I was born again 28 yrs ago...I remember it,like it were yesterday.

One thing I have noticed they change their minds every other hour.

When someone claims allegiance to another "worker for salvation" and yet a few days past argued with the same person that salvation was secure there is a big time problem.

Very easy to misinterpret what folk say on here.....meeting to me means face to face...like you meet a mate for coffee.

I must say...God asked me to go back to church..before the corona virus hit us.....I went back after not going for 25 yrs.....was that obedience?..I believe it was......my faith has increased since going back...plus the blessings I have received is unbelievable...he has brought past friends back into my life..my son is buying me a car..haven’t had one for over 2 yrs....the peace in my spirit is amazing...I feel at peace with God.
What do you make of that?

Obedience results in an increase in faith for sure.

I was born again 18 years ago