The absurdity and heresy of Preterism

Paul cannot be more clear that the day does not come upon us, the Church, like a thief in the night, because we are prepared.

You fail to comprehend that it does come as a thief in the night upon those who do not believe in the the rapture. Why? Because those who do not believe in the rapture are not earnestly waiting for the soon return of our Lord Jesus Christ as He has commanded and warned time and time and time again.

The 144,000 are sealed and "Added To The Church" present on earth during the 3.5 year tribulation, to preach the gospel of salvation in Jesus Christ.

I clearly responded with my explanation on how the "Thief" applied to supposed unsaved Jews on earth?

It went right over your head, and you come right back in your application upon myself, big smiles!

Do you have a driver's liscense to operate a vehicle?

Tragically you fall into the same camp as KJV1611.
Y'all better pay attention buddy. You've got one shot at this. What had better concern you is that those who were indwelt by the Holy Spirit receive the truth and they understand it immediately.

You on the other hand rejected immediately. A cause for deep concern.

I believe it will be Moses not Enoch, for Enoch is a picture of the raptured saint who never faces death but is caught up.

What you said above, is one of the major reasons why you and others don't have any understanding. All you do is read a book by a false teaching and then adopt his teachings and continue to spread these false teachings.

The gathering of the church and the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, are two separate events with different purposes.

Regarding the gathering of the church, the Lord will descend into the atmosphere and with a voice that sounds like a trumpet will say "Come up here!" Where the dead in Christ will rise first. Then those in Christ who are still alive will be changed and caught up with those who just resurrected. At that point the entire church will be gathered in the air to meet the Lord, where He will then take the entire church back to the Father's house to those places that He went to prepare for us.

In opposition, at the second coming, the Lord will descend from heaven to the earth with the church following him, where He will have the beast and the false prophet captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire (Rev.19:20). After that, a mighty angel having the key to the Abyss, will seize Satan and throw him into the Abyss where he will be imprisoned for a thousand years, which is during the thousand year reign of Christ.



The final judgment, also known as the great white throne judgment, takes place at the end of the thousand years, which will consist of all of the unrighteous dead throughout all of history. They will be resurrected, with their spirits being let out of Hades to be united with their resurrected bodies and will stand before God at the great white throne to be judged for every idle word they ever spoke.



Sorry, but scripture is very clear that there will be a thousand year period following the tribulation period. The only way that you can claim that there isn't, is by ignoring, allegorizing or symbolizing the thousand years which is mentioned six times in succession.



Most assuredly, Jesus will return with both His angels and His church. For the scriptures proclaim both groups will return with Him.



The Day of the Lord, also known as "the hour of trial" is neither a day nor an hour in length, but instead represents the time period in which God will pour out His wrath and which is seven years in length. The earth isn't destroyed until after the millennial kingdom is over. Below is John speaking after the millennial kingdom and at the start of the great white throne judgment:

At the start of the great white throne judgment:

"Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them.

After the great white throne judgment:

"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

144,000 what. Christians? Prove it if you can.

You'll probably say of these two "prophets" (whose "their dead bodies" they will "not suffer to be put in graves" for those days) aren't really "people," but of the "ASCEND" word, this passage DOES say they do, and I don't believe (since I DO see them as humans [albeit "resurrected" ones!]) that they do so "by their own merit/works". No. :

Revelation 11 -

9 And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half, and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves. 10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
11 And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them, and they stood upon their feet; and great fear fell upon them which saw them. 12 And they heard a great voice from heaven saying unto them, Come up hither. And they ascended up to heaven in a cloud; and their enemies beheld them. 13 And the same hour was there a great earthquake, and the tenth part of the city fell, and in the earthquake were slain of men seven thousand: and the remnant were affrighted, and gave glory to the God of heaven.
14 The second woe is past; and, behold, the third woe cometh quickly.




[mid-trib will have already taken place at the "5th Trumpet/1st Woe unto the earth" (before this point in the chronology)]

Jesus did not expand on teachings which would be given to the apostles after His resurrection. The Risen Christ spent forty days with His apostles, teaching them of "the things pertaining to the Kingdom of God". In addition to that, He appeared to Paul several times and taught him many things which were not revealed to the other apostles, particularly the Mystery of the Church, the Resurrection, and the Rapture, as well as the Second Coming.

Now please note:
And he said unto them [AFTER HIS RESURRECTION], These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me. Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures... (Luke 24:44,45)

To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: (Acts 1:3)

GALATIANS 1: PAUL TAUGHT DIRECTLY BY CHRIST IN ARABIA (AND ALSO AT OTHER TIMES)
11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. 12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. 13 For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it: 14 And profited in the Jews' religion above many my equals in mine own nation, being more exceedingly zealous of the traditions of my fathers.

15 But when it pleased God, who separated me from my mother's womb, and called me by his grace, 16 To reveal his Son in me, that I might preach him among the heathen; immediately I conferred not with flesh and blood:
17 Neither went I up to Jerusalem to them which were apostles before me; but I went into Arabia, and returned again unto Damascus.

Your correct I reject a pre-trib rapture of the church, and a 1,000 year kingdom on this earth, neither one is found in the Scripture

A Big Pinocchio Fairy Tale!

This is not meant to be an insult, it is only an objective observation:
I have never in all of my days met a person was more confused about the Bible than you are.
It really is astounding IMO.

I do believe the two witnesses are literal people. I lean toward the two witnesses as being the Old Testament saints. I can't explain it and I don't know that it's true for sure.

Most people believe what they want to believe. I was in your shoes at one time so I know exactly where you're coming from.

I'm not offended. A person who believes every word exactly as written in the King James bible is going to have a totally different view of Christianity than people who don't do the same.

Thanks for your honesty!

I wrestled with this for some time, and there is no other way to view these "Two Witnesses" than literal, and the scenario is a remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, with literal plagues, upon a literal world.

My claim? I made no such claim whatsoever.

Enoch/Elijah

They never experienced a literal death, it's appointed unto every man to die HEB 9:27

Yes I agree, Neither Enoch nor Elijah ascended, so in Act's when it says David has not ascended, it isn't talking about making a trip to heaven with Jesus.

Most of your false doctrines if not all of them have been utterly crushed in less than one chapter of the Bible. Effortlessly I might add. You want to live your Pinocchio fairytale you go ahead and live your Pinocchio fairytale. As for me I shall live the Truth and the reality of the infallible Word of the Lord Jesus Christ.

(Rev 20)

1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, having the key to the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2He laid hold of the dragon, that serpent of old, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years; 3and he cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal on him, so that he should deceive the nations no more till the thousand years were finished. But after these things he must be released for a little while.


4And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for [a]a thousand years. 5But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.

I would think, going by the language, that David's body has not been resurrected yet. The Lord may be waiting to resurrect David during the Millennial as Jesus takes David's throne. I'm not really sure.