THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY

Faith is the proof one has saving faith.

Faith is the proof one has saving faith.

1 John 5:11 - And this is the testimony: that God has given us eternal life, and this life is in His Son. 12 He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 13 These things I have written to you who believe in the name of the Son of God, that you may know that you have eternal life, and that you may continue to believe in the name of the Son of God.

You mean Jesus to the Jews and James to the twelve tribes? You know I rightly divide the word of truth by audience. Are you not ever selfish and bear bad fruit? Do you not ever live for self? Ever? I don’t always bear good fruit.

My faith waivers all the time, but Christ’s faith never waivers. That’s the faith that justifies the believer.

So have you ceased sinning?

I never claimed to be sinless, yet there is a distinction between children of the devil and children of God in regards to practicing righteousness and not sin. (1 John 3:7-10)

You mean Jesus to the Jews and James to the twelve tribes? You know I rightly divide the word of truth by audience. Are you not ever selfish and bear bad fruit? Do you not ever live for self? Ever? I don’t always bear good fruit.

You take rightly dividing the word too far. So did Jesus mean that a good tree ONLY bears good fruit 100% of the time? Obviously, believers don't, so what did Jesus mean in Matthew 7:18 according to your dispensational view? What does James mean according to your dispensational view?

So are you saying your acts of sin prove you are a child of the devil?

If you talk about bearing fruits also talk about Jesus commanding to be perfect as the Father.

No. Did you read and understand 1 John 3:7-10?

So you disregard bearing fruit? Did Jesus command us and expect us to as perfect as the Father? Is that how you interpret Matthew 5:48?

What it says?

You take rightly dividing the word too far. So did Jesus mean that a good tree ONLY bears good fruit 100% of the time? Obviously, believers don't, so what did Jesus mean in Matthew 7:18 according to your dispensational view? What does James mean according to your dispensational view?

You mean to say one's good works shows the genuineness of his saving faith? If yes, evil works shows the opposite which is absence of saving faith. In which case the person isn't saved in the first place!! That's works based salvation.

Little children, make sure no one deceives you; the one who practices righteousness is righteous, just as He is righteous; 8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9 No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10 By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor the one who does not love his brother.

Do you disregard Mathew 5:48?

Do you lower God's standard of fruits in order to somehow prove you have saving faith?

Matthew 5:48 - Be Perfect (teleioi). The word comes from telo, end, goal, limit. Here it is the goal set before us, the absolute standard of our Heavenly Father. The word is used also for relative perfection as of adults compared with children. Absolute perfection, sinless, without fault or defect, flawless for us will not become a reality until we are present with the Lord, but that is the goal to strive for. Yet teleioi is also used to refer to the maturity of an adult.

I've seen people who teach sinless perfection also abuse and misuse the words of Jesus "go and sin no more" in John 8:11. Jesus was telling the woman to go and leave her life of sin, namely, she had been practicing adultery. Also, Jesus cannot compromise his perfect holy standard, so of course He is not going to say, "go and just sin a little bit."

James is writing to "beloved brethren" (vs.5), who are already saved and eternally secure.
The only "saving" (vs.14) faith in the passage is the saving from temporal judgement mentioned in verse 13; not from hell.
Respecting the man in vile raiment, flawlessly keeping the whole law, offering your son, & helping spies are not the way of salvation from hell. They're the way of salvation from having judgement without mercy.