THE LIE IN LORDSHIP SALVATION THEORY

I’ll take that as a no, you are an unrepentant open theist heretic. That, and you deny the biblical teachings of evidence of conversion and marks of false conversion. You’re in error and don’t think logically: there are sins that show one to be unconverted though professing salvation.

Reformed Theology isn’t fatalism, you’re simply showing more of your ignorance of what fatalism is and conflate it with a holy God and His ways which may well be hostility toward Him, Colossians 1:21.
Contrary to your capricious beliefs (a form of atheism) God knows every single detail of all future events, has disclosed to us the end of all things He has determined, will not be thwarted in His plan as all end according to His purpose, counsel and will exactly as He has decreed, all to His Glory, as He actually is God.

You loathe these facts and deem God unfair.

Fatalism is a metaphysical theory that all things are driven by an impersonal force. That isn’t the Reformed view. To the contrary this age is driven by God who has decreed whatsoever comes to pass, thus whatsoever He has determined as God isn’t impersonal, but is determined by a Triune Personal God who is just, holy, sovereign, kind, loving, and merciful. His determined plan is therefore not fatalism, it is all to His Glory.

Amen.
(1 Cor 3)
"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor."

For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.

Honestly this is this the first I have heard of lordship salvation no idea what it is really

It used to be “trust and obey” theology, but there are those who dislike the “obey” part and so invented a new term so they can put it down.

It used to be “trust and obey” theology, but there are those who dislike the “obey” part and so invented a new term so they can put it down.

Trust and obey? So basically what we are already called to do or is it a different form?

Trust and obey? So basically what we are already called to do or is it a different form?

I am waiting for your proof texting in favor of your "for rewards forsake grace" theory.

... in order to become a true Christian a person ... must also cease from sin or be willing to cease from sin in order to be saved ...

Right there is the problem with lordship salvation. How does an unsaved person "cease from sin" in order to become saved? The unsaved person hasn't become a new creature yet. In order to 'cease from sin', he must be born of God.

Anti-lordship salvation people (such as myself) agree that the unsaved sinner must recognize that Jesus is Lord in order for Him to become their Savior. That was true of the thief on the cross and the Philippian jailer - but that's not "lordship salvation".

Lordship salvation mixes up the freeness of salvation and who paid the full price for it, with the costliness of discipleship and who pays that cost.

Right there is the problem with lordship salvation. How does an unsaved person "cease from sin" in order to become saved? The unsaved person hasn't become a new creature yet. In order to 'cease from sin', he must be born of God.

Anti-lordship salvation people (such as myself) agree that the unsaved sinner must recognize that Jesus is Lord in order for Him to become their Savior. That was true of the thief on the cross and the Philippian jailer - but that's not "lordship salvation".

Right there is the problem with lordship salvation. How does an unsaved person "cease from sin" in order to become saved?

My claim 1,2,3... BIBLE verses!!!!

Faith without works is dead

The BIBLE says that, not my claim!!! NEVER said works save.

Wrong. To the saved, good works are as natural as breathing, just like prayers, and are motivated by the Holy Spirit to begin with.....not the flesh. And they are done to please the One True God to Glorify Him. The unsaved do "good" works of themselves by themselves to glorify themselves, all of this being of the flesh.

Noah didn't build the ark of his own initiative. He did this mighty WORK by faith.

If you don't think that God is literally putting people to work after they are saved think again.
https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NKJV&quicksearch=labors&begin=47&end=73

https://www.biblegateway.com/quicksearch/?qs_version=NKJV&quicksearch=labor&begin=47&end=73

I assume you speak English, I also assume you can read, comprehension not so much. My hand in glove straight out of the Bible so apparently God is pelsjdifjiefn or whatever you call it. Now you're outright lying. I said the opposite of what you are saying, I said works don't save.

The mods need to shut down this tread already. The OP argues with everyone that posts and lies about what they say when they answer. This thread is going no where.

Yes and "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith or that we are saved by works, as some would presume. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. If someone merely says-claims they have faith (James 2:14) but lack resulting evidential works, then they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.

To which the OP is going to tell you you believe in works based faith. Quoted Scriptures, said works don't save, nope like a dog with a bone. I said we are saved by faith for good works, straight out the Bible, nope, you believe in works salvation. So it doesn't matter what you say. The OP is the only one on God's green earth, and this Mc Arthur fellow, only ones who have the truth. NOOO one else knows it. So why bother. If Gods own Word won't change his mind, nothing will.

No amount of works can save or even prove one’s salvation. If that’s the case then sin can prove one is not saved. That’s simply not true. Only the Lord knows who are tru saved by the seal of the Holy Spirit.

That also does not answer the question. Is forgiving others a “work?”

Amen.
(1 Cor 3)
"Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers through whom you believed, as the Lord gave to each one? I planted, Apollos watered, but God gave the increase. So then neither he who plants is anything, nor he who waters, but God who gives the increase. Now he who plants and he who waters are one, and each one will receive his own reward according to his own labor."

For we are God’s fellow workers; you are God’s field, you are God’s building. According to the grace of God which was given to me, as a wise master builder I have laid the foundation, and another builds on it. But let each one take heed how he builds on it. For no other foundation can anyone lay than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on this foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw, each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is. If anyone’s work which he has built on it endures, he will receive a reward. If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.