So many anti charismatic smear jobs allowed?
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Did you mean Jesus' body? Or Janneses body?
In all seriousness, the concern most of us who aren't Pentecostals have is the fake miracle/healings/etc and the way that belief in them innoculates people against believing the gospel, accepting true miracles, and causes people to fall away from the faith.
There are plenty of real miracles in this world from healings that occur without human intervention to the descent of the holy fire at Jesus' tomb every Pentecost to the reversal of the Jordan's flow every epiphany to bother with fake ones... And these are all exclusively to God's glory not a TV preachers bank account or ministry.
In all seriousness, the concern most of us who aren't Pentecostals have is the fake miracle/healings/etc and the way that belief in them innoculates people against believing the gospel, accepting true miracles, and causes people to fall away from the faith.
There are plenty of real miracles in this world from healings that occur without human intervention to the descent of the holy fire at Jesus' tomb every Pentecost to the reversal of the Jordan's flow every epiphany to bother with fake ones... And these are all exclusively to God's glory not a TV preachers bank account or ministry.
LOL.
Tell it to moses,jesus,paul,and stephen. Tell them to move over for your passive miracles.
Look at all the fake salvation in the baptist community. Wow,now there is a REAL area of concern huh?
But hey,no foul huh?
Show me one in the bible. And then compare to the ones outside your dreaded humans that God used.
All the ones Jesus,Paul,and peter did were not some passive naturally occurring miracles like the ones you cherry pick.
Your obsession with fake miracles inoculates you from the real miracles i see.
That is the difference. You are "counterfeit centered"
So that has become your prism and false yardstick.
You begin in a lie that all miracles are fake.
Your conjecture is your false yardstick.
I am assuming you are invoking the Egyptian magicians? Amazing that you lean to and invoke the devil first and God second.
Actually it is normal, for your prism is backwards
My thread is specifically addressing your vile accusations against myself and others.
You can not possibly refute the biblical stand and faith of believers,so you go personal.
You attack integrity and honesty and sincerity.
Your doctrine is bogus as are your lies about the brethren.
Tell it to moses,jesus,paul,and stephen. Tell them to move over for your passive miracles.
Look at all the fake salvation in the baptist community. Wow,now there is a REAL area of concern huh?
But hey,no foul huh?
Show me one in the bible. And then compare to the ones outside your dreaded humans that God used.
All the ones Jesus,Paul,and peter did were not some passive naturally occurring miracles like the ones you cherry pick.
Your obsession with fake miracles inoculates you from the real miracles i see.
That is the difference. You are "counterfeit centered"
So that has become your prism and false yardstick.
You begin in a lie that all miracles are fake.
Your conjecture is your false yardstick.
I am assuming you are invoking the Egyptian magicians? Amazing that you lean to and invoke the devil first and God second.
Actually it is normal, for your prism is backwards
My thread is specifically addressing your vile accusations against myself and others.
You can not possibly refute the biblical stand and faith of believers,so you go personal.
You attack integrity and honesty and sincerity.
Your doctrine is bogus as are your lies about the brethren.
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According to the epistle to the Hebrews the Israelites did hear the Gospel but failed to believe. And the Gospel was also preached to Abraham.
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them [the Israelites, see chapter 3]: but the Word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. (Hebrews 4:1,2)
GALATIANS 3
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the Gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
[Note: this is a reference to Christ. Also note that even though it was God who said that to Abraham, the Holy Spirit identifies Scripture as divine, and it is Scripture which said that to Abraham. Note also that Abraham received a vision of the New Jerusalem, since he looked for a city which has foundations, whose Builder and Maker is God]
1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2 For unto us was the Gospel preached, as well as unto them [the Israelites, see chapter 3]: but the Word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. (Hebrews 4:1,2)
GALATIANS 3
6 Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.
7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.
8 And the Scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the Gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.
[Note: this is a reference to Christ. Also note that even though it was God who said that to Abraham, the Holy Spirit identifies Scripture as divine, and it is Scripture which said that to Abraham. Note also that Abraham received a vision of the New Jerusalem, since he looked for a city which has foundations, whose Builder and Maker is God]
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Daniel 10:9 KJV
Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.
That's just one occurance. Think of when Jesus simply answered "I Am" when they came to take him and said they were seeking Jesus. They all fell to the ground backward. Or when the angels came and opened the tomb, or when the spirit spake to Saul/Paul what happened to those around. Or the spirit falling on King Saul's servants and eventually Saul himself, causing them to prophesy as they drew near to Samuel who was serving God.
These things aren't talked about often by those who haven't had the power of God show up while they were worshipping. But for those who have, it's a memorable event.
There is something that happens throughout scripture and continues today when an individual or group is seeking the Lord's face diligently and the power of God shows up, and it can result in what some call being slain in the spirit.
When it's God that is doing it, no one gets hurt, and God (not man) is in control. It's just "weird" because it's God (not man's flesh) in control.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground.
That's just one occurance. Think of when Jesus simply answered "I Am" when they came to take him and said they were seeking Jesus. They all fell to the ground backward. Or when the angels came and opened the tomb, or when the spirit spake to Saul/Paul what happened to those around. Or the spirit falling on King Saul's servants and eventually Saul himself, causing them to prophesy as they drew near to Samuel who was serving God.
These things aren't talked about often by those who haven't had the power of God show up while they were worshipping. But for those who have, it's a memorable event.
There is something that happens throughout scripture and continues today when an individual or group is seeking the Lord's face diligently and the power of God shows up, and it can result in what some call being slain in the spirit.
When it's God that is doing it, no one gets hurt, and God (not man) is in control. It's just "weird" because it's God (not man's flesh) in control.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
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A
- A.U.M.P. Church
- African Methodist Episcopal Church
- African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church
- African Orthodox Church
- Apostolic Assemblies of Christ
- ATLAH World Missionary Church
C
- Christian Methodist Episcopal Church
- Church of Christ (Holiness) U.S.A.
- Church of God in Christ
- Church of Our Lord Jesus Christ of the Apostolic Faith
- Church of Universal Triumph, Dominion of God
- Cumberland Presbyterian Church in America
- Fire Baptized Holiness Church of God of the Americas
- Full Gospel Baptist Church Fellowship
- Fundamental Baptist Fellowship Association
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M
N
- National Baptist Convention of America International, Inc.
- National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
- National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
- National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A.
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R
S
U
- Union American Methodist Episcopal Church
- United American Free Will Baptist Church
- United American Free Will Baptist Conference
- United Holy Church of America
- United House of Prayer for All People
- United Sabbath-Day Adventist Church
I have not visited many, but the ones I have they really know how to worship and praise God. Which I find amazing considering what White people have done to them and many of the current struggles they face even today. These people don't let foolishness get in their way when it comes to being Thankful to Almighty God!
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I believe God empowered Peter as he was going forward with the new Church. Yes, the Prophets of old spoke about the Holy Spirit, but no one knew what that literally was all about. Not only did it give Peter Discernment to know they were deceiving him, but it allowed an outward sign that you cannot mess with the unbeliever. But it spread to all (Believers and unbelievers) and that was God sole intent.
The ascended Christ did give the 12 the power to either forgive sins or retain them, in a verse in John that only the Catholic Church regularly preach on (John 20:23) but the rest of us usually ignore. I believe Peter used that for A &S.
I hope from this discussion, you can understand how it is far from "easy to conclude they never were saved to begin with." People who hold that the grace dispensation began at Pentecost have to do plenty of "reading into the scripture" to reconcile what happened in Acts 5.
I hope from this discussion, you can understand how it is far from "easy to conclude they never were saved to begin with." People who hold that the grace dispensation began at Pentecost have to do plenty of "reading into the scripture" to reconcile what happened in Acts 5.
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