So many anti charismatic smear jobs allowed?
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Blasphemy is speaking evil of/about someone. Like saying "God is a...[bad name]".
If someone speaks something that is untrue, they are probably guilty of lying or at least being wrong, but not necessarily of blasphemy.
If someone speaks something in the name of the Lord that God did not say, that person might be guilty of false prophecy but again, not necessarily of blasphemy. (Unless during their statements they something like "God is bad".)
Blasphemy is a specific type of innappropriate speech.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
If someone speaks something that is untrue, they are probably guilty of lying or at least being wrong, but not necessarily of blasphemy.
If someone speaks something in the name of the Lord that God did not say, that person might be guilty of false prophecy but again, not necessarily of blasphemy. (Unless during their statements they something like "God is bad".)
Blasphemy is a specific type of innappropriate speech.
Love in Jesus,
Kelby
It is giving occasion for the enemies of God to blaspheme. Unbelievers see and hear these claims and it gives them occasion to ridicule Christianity as a whole, when they do not see these things coming to pass.
And it is definitely taking God's name in vain. Vain means no good use. Saying things in God's name, with his authority, that are false is misusing his name.
If I said that God gave me a message for someone, and God did not in fact give me a message for someone, this is taking God's name in vain.
This phrase "taking God's name in vain" is not limited to using curse words. In fact, I would rather see someone use a curse word than claim they are speaking from God when, in fact, they are uttering the imaginations of their own evil hearts. At least people know that those cursing are not claiming something came from God when it did not.
If prophecies are false, and do not come to pass, then false prophets have attributed something false to God. Something God never said at all.
And, people who make a habit of this should be cast outside of the church, after appropriate levels of church discipline.
In reality, though, they will just go to another naive church who will listen to their nonsense. That is the reality in today's world. Church discipline doesn't really exist overall within the Church.
By the way, I think the major reason why they do it is because they want to be thought of as some great power of God, like Simon Magus of Acts 8. To me, though, they impress me not one bit. If someone utters a prophecy, claiming God gave them this prophecy, I am more likely to label them as a non-believer.
And it is definitely taking God's name in vain. Vain means no good use. Saying things in God's name, with his authority, that are false is misusing his name.
If I said that God gave me a message for someone, and God did not in fact give me a message for someone, this is taking God's name in vain.
This phrase "taking God's name in vain" is not limited to using curse words. In fact, I would rather see someone use a curse word than claim they are speaking from God when, in fact, they are uttering the imaginations of their own evil hearts. At least people know that those cursing are not claiming something came from God when it did not.
If prophecies are false, and do not come to pass, then false prophets have attributed something false to God. Something God never said at all.
And, people who make a habit of this should be cast outside of the church, after appropriate levels of church discipline.
In reality, though, they will just go to another naive church who will listen to their nonsense. That is the reality in today's world. Church discipline doesn't really exist overall within the Church.
By the way, I think the major reason why they do it is because they want to be thought of as some great power of God, like Simon Magus of Acts 8. To me, though, they impress me not one bit. If someone utters a prophecy, claiming God gave them this prophecy, I am more likely to label them as a non-believer.
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If you feel like you are being personally attacked first say something to the person. Often discussion of minor doctrines is not meant as a personal attack and should not be taken as such. Iron sharpens Iron and with that there will be some sparks. Don't let the sparks turn into flaming. If the personal attack keeps going on by that person report it. It is unfortunate that there are some false teachings in today's' churches. The best way to deal with those teachings is practice sound exegesis.
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If the high priest was worth his salt, he would say "Faith without works is dead. You say you have faith in God - then show your faith by circumcision, for God commands us to be circumcised".
Then I would remind him that we Jews already circumcise our males at 8 days old, and thankfully, it only need be done once.
Then I would remind him that we Jews already circumcise our males at 8 days old, and thankfully, it only need be done once.
I think it is fair to question anything charismatic claim in the light of scriptures. I also thin it is ok for those here to feel it is not for today. They have an understanding that that see in the word of God. As do those who see it the other way. There is attacks and insults by both. That will never change . Nor do I think those who disagree should be forced to agree. If one can not formulate and argument ( apologetics ) to refute ones position Biblically. Then move on.
You will always have dog whistle topics that attract those who disagree and come to that three with the agenda of causing disruption.
They think it is their way of protecting the faith against unbiblical, false teaching, and error. "It is their calling" yet God did not call them to it. You have to stay in the word of God. Ones experience and frankly testimony will never be accepted in this setting by those who see you or others as biblical error. That is why in this setting our only defense is the Word of god and prayer for them and you.
FYI try "ignore" tab next to their name when you move the mouse over it. It works wonders and makes them crazy
. Nor do I think those who disagree should be forced to agree. If one can not formulate and argument ( apologetics ) to refute ones position Biblically. Then move on. You will always have dog whistle topics that attract those who disagree and come to that three with the agenda of causing disruption.
They think it is their way of protecting the faith against unbiblical, false teaching, and error. "It is their calling" yet God did not call them to it. You have to stay in the word of God. Ones experience and frankly testimony will never be accepted in this setting by those who see you or others as biblical error. That is why in this setting our only defense is the Word of god
and prayer for them and you.FYI try "ignore" tab next to their name when you move the mouse over it. It works wonders and makes them crazy
I think it is fair to question anything charismatic claim in the light of scriptures. I also thin it is ok for those here to feel it is not for today. They have an understanding that that see in the word of God. As do those who see it the other way. There is attacks and insults by both. That will never change . Nor do I think those who disagree should be forced to agree. If one can not formulate and argument ( apologetics ) to refute ones position Biblically. Then move on.
You will always have dog whistle topics that attract those who disagree and come to that three with the agenda of causing disruption.
They think it is their way of protecting the faith against unbiblical, false teaching, and error. "It is their calling" yet God did not call them to it. You have to stay in the word of God. Ones experience and frankly testimony will never be accepted in this setting by those who see you or others as biblical error. That is why in this setting our only defense is the Word of god and prayer for them and you.
FYI try "ignore" tab next to their name when you move the mouse over it. It works wonders and makes them crazy
. Nor do I think those who disagree should be forced to agree. If one can not formulate and argument ( apologetics ) to refute ones position Biblically. Then move on. You will always have dog whistle topics that attract those who disagree and come to that three with the agenda of causing disruption.
They think it is their way of protecting the faith against unbiblical, false teaching, and error. "It is their calling" yet God did not call them to it. You have to stay in the word of God. Ones experience and frankly testimony will never be accepted in this setting by those who see you or others as biblical error. That is why in this setting our only defense is the Word of god
and prayer for them and you.FYI try "ignore" tab next to their name when you move the mouse over it. It works wonders and makes them crazy
It is hard to give anyone credibility in an internet forum. You don't know that person and whether they are a total loon. So, how could I believe anyone's claim, not knowing them in real life?
If a Christian friend that I knew for years, and knew his mental stability and truthfulness, told me he had a supernatural experience such as a vision or a healing, then I would be inclined to believe them. However, no one meets this criteria here.
I don't know that what he described fits the category 'blasphemy.' Paul does write about bearing false witness of God in I Corinthians 15. If He had preached that God had done something that He had not, he would have been bearing false witness of God.
We should all be cognizant of that, the risk of saying, "God did this because" and inserting our own ideas there. Some people do that because they have been taught a certain theological perspective. You hear some preachers say, "It was not God's will that"... so and so "die." On the other hand, someone else might say that it was God's will that someone died or some bad thing happened, or comment on God's will in the Corona virus based on a theological framework that everything that happens is God's will.
I Thessalonians teaches that it is God's will to abstain from fornication. If two people fornicate, then one should be careful not to say it was God's will that it happened, but virtue of the fact that it happened.
If God reveals His will, we can know it. But we shouldn't presume to know God's will in a particular situation. And some theological frameworks about God's will do not line up with all scripture.
We should all be cognizant of that, the risk of saying, "God did this because" and inserting our own ideas there. Some people do that because they have been taught a certain theological perspective. You hear some preachers say, "It was not God's will that"... so and so "die." On the other hand, someone else might say that it was God's will that someone died or some bad thing happened, or comment on God's will in the Corona virus based on a theological framework that everything that happens is God's will.
I Thessalonians teaches that it is God's will to abstain from fornication. If two people fornicate, then one should be careful not to say it was God's will that it happened, but virtue of the fact that it happened.
If God reveals His will, we can know it. But we shouldn't presume to know God's will in a particular situation. And some theological frameworks about God's will do not line up with all scripture.
I think it is fair to question anything charismatic claim in the light of scriptures. I also thin it is ok for those here to feel it is not for today. They have an understanding that that see in the word of God. As do those who see it the other way. There is attacks and insults by both. That will never change . Nor do I think those who disagree should be forced to agree. If one can not formulate and argument ( apologetics ) to refute ones position Biblically. Then move on.
You will always have dog whistle topics that attract those who disagree and come to that three with the agenda of causing disruption.
They think it is their way of protecting the faith against unbiblical, false teaching, and error. "It is their calling" yet God did not call them to it. You have to stay in the word of God. Ones experience and frankly testimony will never be accepted in this setting by those who see you or others as biblical error. That is why in this setting our only defense is the Word of god and prayer for them and you.
FYI try "ignore" tab next to their name when you move the mouse over it. It works wonders and makes them crazy
. Nor do I think those who disagree should be forced to agree. If one can not formulate and argument ( apologetics ) to refute ones position Biblically. Then move on. You will always have dog whistle topics that attract those who disagree and come to that three with the agenda of causing disruption.
They think it is their way of protecting the faith against unbiblical, false teaching, and error. "It is their calling" yet God did not call them to it. You have to stay in the word of God. Ones experience and frankly testimony will never be accepted in this setting by those who see you or others as biblical error. That is why in this setting our only defense is the Word of god
and prayer for them and you.FYI try "ignore" tab next to their name when you move the mouse over it. It works wonders and makes them crazy
Btw. The typical pentecost teaching about the baptism whith the Holy Spirit I can only find when I take the acts verses and put them out of the Context. What I cant find, is that this what you teach was taught in the NT to the believer,/churches. But this I would expect, because this seems to be the most important teaching since 1901.
No such thing as faith alone apart from works. Faith is a work .A person could no more separate them then could they separate of the body from the spirit of life of the body
By the faith of Christ that works in these bodies of death we are saved receiving the end of our salvation from the beginning. Knowing he who began the good work will finish it .
It is why its called salvation and not just a good start.
By the faith of Christ that works in these bodies of death we are saved receiving the end of our salvation from the beginning. Knowing he who began the good work will finish it .
It is why its called salvation and not just a good start.
From my experience the Pentcoster sign and wonder seekers or self edifiers refuse to look to the foundation of the teaching. (Isiah 28) And in their open rebellion still mock God by making a sound without understanding and falling back slain in the spirit .Yet for all that they still refuse to hear sola scriptuptura without the side shows added. as oral traditions of sinners .Make a noise and fall backward and wonder? Mockery?
If the high priest was worth his salt, he would say "Faith without works is dead. You say you have faith in God - then show your faith by circumcision, for God commands us to be circumcised".
Then I would remind him that we Jews already circumcise our males at 8 days old, and thankfully, it only need be done once.
Then I would remind him that we Jews already circumcise our males at 8 days old, and thankfully, it only need be done once.
Thus, you are agreeing that faith + keeping the Law is required for salvation, before the cross.