Is the God of the NT the same God as the God of the OT?

It gets old reading the undisciplined unfettered personal assaults that regurgitate themselves in these forums.

Our precious Father tells us to pray for our enemies. I did not see any scripture that tells us we must concede to that enemy action so as to remain a target under their feet, nor of and to their hate filled tongues. Imagine how starve an enemy becomes if you simply pray them attention, rather than pay them attention.
Continue to live the peace of Christ. It really makes them angry. As you can see. And nothing you say or do will stop the advance of the evil aligned against you sister. They are legion.

It has always been that the blood of Christ was required for salvation

It gets even older when a straightforward comment is grossly mischaracterized as an "undisciplined unfettered personal assault".

That chip on your shoulder has grown larger. You should deal with it.

Why did he reduce some of them to cannibalism? Send famine and war. Like he does today?

It gets old reading the undisciplined unfettered personal assaults that regurgitate themselves in these forums.

Our precious Father tells us to pray for our enemies. I did not see any scripture that tells us we must concede to that enemy action so as to remain a target under their feet, nor of and to their hate filled tongues. Imagine how starve an enemy becomes if you simply pray them attention, rather than pay them attention.
Continue to live the peace of Christ. It really makes them angry. As you can see. And nothing you say or do will stop the advance of the evil aligned against you sister. They are legion.

It gets even older when a straightforward comment is grossly mischaracterized as an "undisciplined unfettered personal assault".

That chip on your shoulder has grown larger. You should deal with it.

The Lord wraps me in peace and joy and the world goes on as it chooses, I am protected.

I am judged by the Lord, I really don't require your judgments or advise on how to live.

It is entirely possible that simple responses can be easily misunderstood. I didn't find @Dino246 's comment incendiary

I've posted in many different moods and it's amazing how different each can affect me when interacting with blunt replies. Or at least they "seem" blunt. It is exceptionally difficult to tell the difference between blunt (toward rudeness and condescension) and someone simply being succinct.


It also makes sense that when someone is putting a lot of heart into something, they are more vulnerable to critique and we should all endeavor not to take things too "personally"
I responded earlier to another post. Are you saying in the OP that prior to the propitiation it still required faith to make sacrificial offerings for sin?

There's a lot that can be drawn from atonement made prior to the Word made flesh and after. You could even have a discussion about the differences of the systems themselves and how intricate each offering was and how all encompassing the propitiation IS. Contrasting the faith of the Israelites under the mosaic covenant and the new covenant. Bring in fulfillment of the law...etc etc.

There's a good bit to talk about, and a lot of connections that can be made factoring in each precept in scripture. It is totally understandable how it could come across as potentially insulting (and leading to confusion) if someone were to tell me to "pray about it" when a connection was vague in the first place. I've been told similar things and I just find them confusing...not insulting but still I'd have liked clarification when these occurred.


I liked the two verses together and it allowed me to think in a lot of directions, but personal insight without expounding for corporate benefit limits utility for some I've found for sure.

I am judged by the Lord, I really don't require your judgments or advise on how to live.

It is entirely possible that simple responses can be easily misunderstood. I didn't find @Dino246 's comment incendiary

I've posted in many different moods and it's amazing how different each can affect me when interacting with blunt replies. Or at least they "seem" blunt. It is exceptionally difficult to tell the difference between blunt (toward rudeness and condescension) and someone simply being succinct.


It also makes sense that when someone is putting a lot of heart into something, they are more vulnerable to critique and we should all endeavor not to take things too "personally"


I responded earlier to another post. Are you saying in the OP that prior to the propitiation it still required faith to make sacrificial offerings for sin?

There's a lot that can be drawn from atonement made prior to the Word made flesh and after. You could even have a discussion about the differences of the systems themselves and how intricate each offering was and how all encompassing the propitiation IS. Contrasting the faith of the Israelites under the mosaic covenant and the new covenant. Bring in fulfillment of the law...etc etc.

There's a good bit to talk about, and a lot of connections that can be made factoring in each precept in scripture. It is totally understandable how it could come across as potentially insulting (and leading to confusion) if someone were to tell me to "pray about it" when a connection was vague in the first place. I've been told similar things and I just find them confusing...not insulting but still I'd have liked clarification when these occurred.


I liked the two verses together and it allowed me to think in a lot of directions, but personal insight without expounding for corporate benefit limits utility for some I've found for sure.

Scripture tells us they are the same God. That would mean that what we are told of God in the Torah is true of Christ. It has always been that the blood of Christ was required for salvation, although until Christ lived as a man and was crucified it was a mystery.

Lev. 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.

It has always been that sin brings death, and grace brings life. It has always been that it is through faith that we receive forgiveness, and repentance is required.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever!

How do you explain the huge difference of peace now and violence then between the covenants?

Because now we have Christ to intervene between God and man. He became the sacrifice, He took our sins and erased them with His blood.

I am certain that scripture tells the truth. The earth was created to operate in a way that creates joy and abundance but there is sin in the world that creates death and destruction.

I have studied history and watched how families operate. That seems to be how the world runs. God gives us an outline of how to create goodness and peace, and those who follow those natural laws do seem to have what scripture promises. There is war, sickness and storms that happens anyway but I don't think it is God that brings them. I have even checked people whose face seems to radiate happiness and a certain look of peace I watch for that seems to mark the Christian.

I think we have to recall that when tragedy occurs on a giant scale, like an earthquake that takes out a region of a foreign land, or as years ago when Katrina devastated parts of the United States, that there are people who will invoke God as the cause.

Perhaps we might realize that since God has told us He does not change and is the same as yesterday, today and forever, that the reason some may think today's God isn't the vengeful one we read of in the OT, is because people like those aforementioned one's aren't considered to be adding to the New Testament texts the actions of God, as they see it, and as was done in the Old Testament.

God sent the global flood. (The Book of Genesis chapter 6)
God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, (Genesis 18) out of vengeance for the sins committed there. Just two examples that tell us, while the new covenant reconciles us to God, God is still the same Holy Spirit "he" was in the old covenant. Only now when those aforementioned types state that the devastation that occurred on a mass scale was God's vengeance for whatever sin they name, those people are often mocked, even by Christians, and are dismissed as kooks. Even by television pastors of the fundamentalist type.
That's what can lead to people thinking there are two different God's referred to in the two covenants. When Christians say, no it isn't possible that Katrina was God's wrath for these sins.... It leads people to ask the question: then why was God the one responsible for the devastation of the first born of every Egyptian house? (The Book of Exodus chapter 11)

Some Christians will deny all that. While others will defend God saying, He's God. He can do whatever He likes with his creation. And those to positions in and of themselves put Christians at odds with the question asked early on in a different thread. "Is God a moral monster?"
If we did as God did to our enemies, would we be considered to be in Christ?

I know, "It's a mystery."
No, it's in the Bible.
God loves us.

All that happens good or bad in our view comes from God. He doesn't change. But the New Covenant is believers only and his plan for us changed with the Sermon on the Mount.

How can God be good letting these things happen when he could stop them?

He IS good and sends them in judgement on wicked people. Even the ones that look good. This he sent on his chosen people. How about those he did not choose?

“I will send a time of hunger and wild animals against you, and they will kill your children. Disease and death will sweep through your people, and I will bring the sword against you to kill you. I, the LORD, have spoken.”” Ezekiel 5:17 (NCV)