Not By Works

They believed in God, and they boasted about their particular brand of religion, exactly like on here

Same drivel they peddle....a losable salvation that must be maintained by man...Open your eyes to this truth....they do not have the truth

You got that right.....go look in the mirror!

You can red x all you want pal....we will see who get's red x'ed and cast in the last day....!!

The Pharisees never were saved... I did not say they were.

They condemned others who were not like them, just like you have to me.

Not at all.

@dcontroversal, I count you as a brother in Christ. And I count many here as brothers or sisters in Christ. I don't believe that someone who is in Christ can be taken out of him and condemned. It would not make sense. Even so, I can still have moments where I can get scared of going to hell.

I would like to know if you see me also as a sister in Christ though I may question, doubt and fear God's wrath at times.

That is where you are wrong pal I condemn your false gospel!!

sure it is.....

I see you as a sister in Christ and Rosemaryx. Not that we should judge, but that is what the spirit tells me. God bless.

1 John 3 they were never of us

what is it with the words never, forever and eternal that you can not understand?

Wrong wrong and wrong..

why do you insist in taking credit away fro God?

You do when you cut others down who you say lose salvation

in effect, Your boasting of how much better you are than them

Like you

We do not teach religion. We teach grace and mercy.
religions says this is what I do. It does not focus on what someone else did

Just like you do

ps. The disciples condemned them also..

You are my sister in Christ.


I saw earlier on my old account many of your posts.

What I saw was a lack of assurance, but I also saw many wonderful qualities that look exactly like what God is working in me (some of which you have in abundance where I need growth)


I saw you speak against eternal security

but I also saw an honest desire to know the truth....


the more ive seen from you, the more i believe we have the same Teacher

the same Father


and the same Savior and Hope in Christ

love your perspective and often short but powerful posts


(i hope now you have a more fullness of understanding specifically in regards to the promises of God that are about Him keeping His own by His power and believe you in fact do...)

For such people "slippery grace/difficult burden perseverance/self preservation" IS a big part of THEIR Gospel. They seem to believe that Christ merely "initially" saved them, but now it's up to them to "pull themselves up by their own bootstraps" and "keep themselves saved" through their own personal endeavor and difficult burden of "self preservation." So pull themselves up by their own bootstraps and "keep themselves saved" (many believers will fail, but not them) is their boast.

Cherry picking. You know full well there are lots of scriptures that warn believers against committing apostasy. It is just that you prefer to ignore them. More cherry picking. Mix-and-match your own cult. In the next chapter we are warned that whoever sins is of the devil. Now you know. So do not ever sin, although your cult will tell you it is impossible, which has to be a lie, or we would not be warned against sinning.

1Jn 3:4-8 KJV
(4) Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
(5) And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
(6) Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
(7) Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
(8) He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

By the way, the people who left were not expelled from the church, they went out of their own accord and there are lots of people who do that today and always have done, for all I know you may have left several churches but that is not to say they don't believe.

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