All things James

Jesus did teach about a rapture (Matthew 24), and in this case it is after the tribulation and is the the Body of Christ (Jewish believers). Paul spoke of the Rapture of the Body of Christ before the tribulation (Gentiles and some Jewish believers).

There are two raptures.

The order is this:

1) Church is raptured pre-trib, bringing the time of the fullness of the Gentiles to its completion.
2) Those who remain (Gentiles) come under strong delusion and follow the beast, take the mark. Note there will be some who call themselves Christians who will be left behind, because they had not the love of the truth.
3) Once again Israel comes into God's favour and grace. Eyes open and they (a remnant) turn to the true Messiah.
4) Antichrist pursues global domination agenda and global worship and submission, including persecution of Israel. God protects Israel remnant.
5) Antichrist does not have it all his way, and there are armies who resist him. Armageddon occurs.
6) Jerusalem is half way overrun (Zech 14), when Christ returns. Believing Israel is raptured to meet Christ
7) Jesus executes judgement on the earth, overthrowing the beast and his false prophet, and they are thrown directly into the lake of fire. Satan is bound (start of the 1000 year incarceration of Satan, and the 1000 year reign of Christ on the earth).

So in your view, there is not one but 2 raptures?

The 2nd coming of Christ is NOT a rapture.

Ok I will spell this out for you:

Matthew 24
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

This is the 2nd rapture. Comprises Israel.

You equate 2nd coming of the Son of Man as a rapture too? There is no 2nd coming after this "rapture" to you correct?

No. This is the one. This is the second coming. And Jesus sets up the start of his millennial reign on earth.

God is also showing me now as I type this that this is a type of King David parallel. David before he took the throne subdued all of Israel's enemies by the shedding of blood, before he sat on the throne over Israel. So too will Jesus shed the blood of His enemies before taking the throne in Jerusalem for the 1000 year millennial reign on earth.

Okay, so to be clear, you believed Jesus talk about his 2nd coming, but he never taught a rapture of any group of believers before that.

I am not aware of Jesus talking about the rapture of the Church (The Pre-Trib Harpazo). This is referred to by Paul.

Was james written under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit,or someone misguided named james?

Of course not, why would you ask that?

"James says"

"Paul says"

How about "we read where it is written in Gods word"

You definately think paul and james or Jesus and paul preached conflicting messages .

Your doctrine is centered on teaching us non pauline books have a different gospel.

You certainly can not have it both ways.

But paulines,or vast majority of those adherants,are cessationists. Which further separates us from ANY commands of Jesus.

"Hey we get out of all those commands,He was only speaking to Jews"

No thank you.
Red flag doctrine right from the gate.

But you guys TEACH that boggus mess TIRELESSLY debunking non pauline books.

You are against the divinely inspired word of God.

We are to rightly divide the word of truth. There are divisions to be made so we don’t muddle all things together and come up with false doctrines to the body of Christ.

There are divisions to be made throughout the OT from one dispensation to another, as there are also divisions to be made throughout the books of the NT. There are three audiences to which God is speaking: Jew, Gentile and the Church of God.

The directions God gave Adam were not the same as He gave to Noah. What was given to Noah was not the same as to Abraham, as so on. To think all the NT writings are all directed to the same audience and the same directions is false.

If the non pauline books are not for gentiles,then they can not be for Jews either.
1) jews were blinded to the gospel(the person of Jesus)
2) if they,the jews ,converted to christianity,
Then the non pauline books are to be avoided since they are now as paul is...BORN AGAIN. (oooops Jesus said that,so we must not use that term)
3) the Holy Spirit did wrong,thought wrongly,and lead the church wrongly for centuries untill your top people, miles stafford & co. ,saved us.

4) Jesus spoke to his followers in parables HIDING THE MYSTERIES from the Jews.

But then you guys come alomg and refute Jesus by saying it was the Jews that Jesus was talking to.
It is LUDICROUS because once they converted they now needed you guys to tell them NOT to obey the master as he was preaching a different gospel.

5) to top it off , at the council in Jerusalem Paul said nothing. He was there and said nothing.....meaning he let a "heretic" ,peter,spread a different gospel.

You guys are in SERIOUS error.

Then Hebrews,under your logic, os addressed to non christians,Hebrews. You know,12 tribes.
So scratch that book from your reading. It definately does not apply to the church.

Romans also. It was ONLY WRITTEN to romans.

And lets apply your 12 tribe disclaimer to romans.
Since "12 tribes" can ONLY mean Jewish nonbelievers....(dear God i cant believe the butcher job you guys play in), then Romans ,under your same logic,HAS TO ALSO mean ONLY unsaved romans.

"Who is the audience" does not mean reject bible books.

6) Most of Gods word,under your "who is the audience" is basically worthless filler.
The non pauline books,to you guys are simply fodder or filler to be exposed as "another Gospel" or teaching to non believers.

Hence your doctrine and cessationism go hand in hand. Since most healing verses are from the King Jesus. (Ooooops you guys also say Jesus is not the King)

Wow. You guys are really off.

Then Hebrews,under your logic, os addressed to non christians,Hebrews. You know,12 tribes.
So scratch that book from your reading. It definately does not apply to the church.

Romans also. It was ONLY WRITTEN to romans.

And lets apply your 12 tribe disclaimer to romans.
Since "12 tribes" can ONLY mean Jewish nonbelievers....(dear God i cant believe the butcher job you guys play in), then Romans ,under your same logic,HAS TO ALSO mean ONLY unsaved romans.

"Who is the audience" does not mean reject bible books.

6) Most of Gods word,under your "who is the audience" is basically worthless filler.
The non pauline books,to you guys are simply fodder or filler to be exposed as "another Gospel" or teaching to non believers.

Hence your doctrine and cessationism go hand in hand. Since most healing verses are from the King Jesus. (Ooooops you guys also say Jesus is not the King)

Wow. You guys are really off.

Then Hebrews,under your logic, os addressed to non christians,Hebrews. You know,12 tribes.
So scratch that book from your reading. It definately does not apply to the church.

Romans also. It was ONLY WRITTEN to romans.

And lets apply your 12 tribe disclaimer to romans.
Since "12 tribes" can ONLY mean Jewish nonbelievers....(dear God i cant believe the butcher job you guys play in), then Romans ,under your same logic,HAS TO ALSO mean ONLY unsaved romans.

"Who is the audience" does not mean reject bible books.

6) Most of Gods word,under your "who is the audience" is basically worthless filler.
The non pauline books,to you guys are simply fodder or filler to be exposed as "another Gospel" or teaching to non believers.

Hence your doctrine and cessationism go hand in hand. Since most healing verses are from the King Jesus. (Ooooops you guys also say Jesus is not the King)

Wow. You guys are really off.

If the non pauline books are not for gentiles,then they can not be for Jews either. Why? This makes no sense.
1) jews were blinded to the gospel(the person of Jesus) correct, before the cross and after their rejection after the cross
2) if they,the jews ,converted to christianity,
Then the non pauline books are to be avoided since they are now as paul is...BORN AGAIN. (oooops Jesus said that,so we must not use that term) Incorrect, they would not be Jews anymore but the body of Christ. Jesus was prophesying to the time after the cross, when the Son of man is lifted up.
3) the Holy Spirit did wrong,thought wrongly,and lead the church wrongly for centuries untill your top people, miles stafford & co. ,saved us. Opinions do not matter. Let God be true and Everyman a liar.

4) Jesus spoke to his followers in parables HIDING THE MYSTERIES from the Jews. Only after their rejection and He as headed to the cross. Before that, He spoke plain truth to them

But then you guys come alomg and refute Jesus by saying it was the Jews that Jesus was talking to. Why did Jesus forbid the gospel of the kingdom to go the the Gentiles?
It is LUDICROUS because once they converted they now needed you guys to tell them NOT to obey the master as he was preaching a different gospel. Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Paul’s gospel of grace has been preached to all the world, to all nations. Why didn’t the end come if it’s the same message?

5) to top it off , at the council in Jerusalem Paul said nothing. He was there and said nothing.....meaning he let a "heretic" ,peter,spread a different gospel.

You guys are in SERIOUS error. Peter was not a heretic, but preached only what had been revealed unto him. Remember, Acts is a transition book fro Jew to Gentile, from Peter being the main spokesmen to Paul.

""2) if they,the jews ,converted to christianity,
Then the non pauline books are to be avoided since they are now as paul is...BORN AGAIN. (oooops Jesus said that,so we must not use that term) Incorrect, they would not be Jews anymore but the body of Christ. Jesus was prophesying to the time after the cross, when the Son of man is lifted up.""

lol
paul claimed to be a jew.

amazing you admit that a jew becoming born again would need to avoid the non pauline books.

See that?

Your deal falls apart.
The nt books were written by Holy Spirit baptised men to other Holy Spirit baptised men.
Even paul destroys your deal. The Jews tried to kill him when he went into their synagogs to preach.

You do not realize you are double talking to protect your false theory.

James writes to unsaved Jews (according to you) James gives them a boggus gospel(according to you)

Now suppose they get born again (remember,under your theory of a boggus gospel)
Now they have to only listen to paul?
Uh hello....you claim pauls gospel is to the gentiles. You claim the jews are are under the gospel of the kingdom(a different gospel)

So your theory is that jewish believers such as james and peter were preaching a different gospel of the law to other Jews.

QUOTE;
""You guys are in SERIOUS error. Peter was not a heretic, but preached only what had been revealed unto him. Remember, Acts is a transition book fro Jew to Gentile, from Peter being the main spokesmen to Paul""

You can not have it both ways. You can not claim peter preached another gospel than paul and then claim he was not a heretic.

paul himself said "if any man preach a different gospel let him be accursed"

see that?
you cant have it both ways.

and neither can you say peters message to the jews ,if a different gospel, was inspired by the Holy Spirit...if in error and conflict with Pauls gospel.

I think we can go farther with this idea than this. We can't have a united church with two different Gods.

There is the one God who was God of the Jews and the gentiles, and everything this God did was directed to all mankind, with no difference in the direction.

Our protestant church has created a new God, they call Him Christ, who spoke differently to the people He said were chosen and the gentiles. This God disowned His chosen people and chose the gentiles to take their place. They will not listen to anything that the God who says He is the one true God says to the Israelites saying that God isn't speaking to them.

The people who accept the one true God say Christ is not a new God but God can be spoken of as Christ, God the Father, and the Holy Ghost. They accept all scripture as telling how the spiritual world actually is.