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Ok I will spell this out for you:
Matthew 24
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This is the 2nd rapture. Comprises Israel.
Matthew 24
29 “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. 30 Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His [d]elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
This is the 2nd rapture. Comprises Israel.
No. This is the one. This is the second coming. And Jesus sets up the start of his millennial reign on earth.
God is also showing me now as I type this that this is a type of King David parallel. David before he took the throne subdued all of Israel's enemies by the shedding of blood, before he sat on the throne over Israel. So too will Jesus shed the blood of His enemies before taking the throne in Jerusalem for the 1000 year millennial reign on earth.
God is also showing me now as I type this that this is a type of King David parallel. David before he took the throne subdued all of Israel's enemies by the shedding of blood, before he sat on the throne over Israel. So too will Jesus shed the blood of His enemies before taking the throne in Jerusalem for the 1000 year millennial reign on earth.
"James says"
"Paul says"
How about "we read where it is written in Gods word"
You definately think paul and james or Jesus and paul preached conflicting messages .
Your doctrine is centered on teaching us non pauline books have a different gospel.
You certainly can not have it both ways.
But paulines,or vast majority of those adherants,are cessationists. Which further separates us from ANY commands of Jesus.
"Hey we get out of all those commands,He was only speaking to Jews"
No thank you.
Red flag doctrine right from the gate.
But you guys TEACH that boggus mess TIRELESSLY debunking non pauline books.
You are against the divinely inspired word of God.
"Paul says"
How about "we read where it is written in Gods word"
You definately think paul and james or Jesus and paul preached conflicting messages .
Your doctrine is centered on teaching us non pauline books have a different gospel.
You certainly can not have it both ways.
But paulines,or vast majority of those adherants,are cessationists. Which further separates us from ANY commands of Jesus.
"Hey we get out of all those commands,He was only speaking to Jews"
No thank you.
Red flag doctrine right from the gate.
But you guys TEACH that boggus mess TIRELESSLY debunking non pauline books.
You are against the divinely inspired word of God.
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We are to rightly divide the word of truth. There are divisions to be made so we don’t muddle all things together and come up with false doctrines to the body of Christ.
There are divisions to be made throughout the OT from one dispensation to another, as there are also divisions to be made throughout the books of the NT. There are three audiences to which God is speaking: Jew, Gentile and the Church of God.
There are divisions to be made throughout the OT from one dispensation to another, as there are also divisions to be made throughout the books of the NT. There are three audiences to which God is speaking: Jew, Gentile and the Church of God.
If the non pauline books are not for gentiles,then they can not be for Jews either.
1) jews were blinded to the gospel(the person of Jesus)
2) if they,the jews ,converted to christianity,
Then the non pauline books are to be avoided since they are now as paul is...BORN AGAIN. (oooops Jesus said that,so we must not use that term)
3) the Holy Spirit did wrong,thought wrongly,and lead the church wrongly for centuries untill your top people, miles stafford & co. ,saved us.
4) Jesus spoke to his followers in parables HIDING THE MYSTERIES from the Jews.
But then you guys come alomg and refute Jesus by saying it was the Jews that Jesus was talking to.
It is LUDICROUS because once they converted they now needed you guys to tell them NOT to obey the master as he was preaching a different gospel.
5) to top it off , at the council in Jerusalem Paul said nothing. He was there and said nothing.....meaning he let a "heretic" ,peter,spread a different gospel.
You guys are in SERIOUS error.
1) jews were blinded to the gospel(the person of Jesus)
2) if they,the jews ,converted to christianity,
Then the non pauline books are to be avoided since they are now as paul is...BORN AGAIN. (oooops Jesus said that,so we must not use that term)
3) the Holy Spirit did wrong,thought wrongly,and lead the church wrongly for centuries untill your top people, miles stafford & co. ,saved us.
4) Jesus spoke to his followers in parables HIDING THE MYSTERIES from the Jews.
But then you guys come alomg and refute Jesus by saying it was the Jews that Jesus was talking to.
It is LUDICROUS because once they converted they now needed you guys to tell them NOT to obey the master as he was preaching a different gospel.
5) to top it off , at the council in Jerusalem Paul said nothing. He was there and said nothing.....meaning he let a "heretic" ,peter,spread a different gospel.
You guys are in SERIOUS error.
Then Hebrews,under your logic, os addressed to non christians,Hebrews. You know,12 tribes.
So scratch that book from your reading. It definately does not apply to the church.
Romans also. It was ONLY WRITTEN to romans.
And lets apply your 12 tribe disclaimer to romans.
Since "12 tribes" can ONLY mean Jewish nonbelievers....(dear God i cant believe the butcher job you guys play in), then Romans ,under your same logic,HAS TO ALSO mean ONLY unsaved romans.
"Who is the audience" does not mean reject bible books.
6) Most of Gods word,under your "who is the audience" is basically worthless filler.
The non pauline books,to you guys are simply fodder or filler to be exposed as "another Gospel" or teaching to non believers.
Hence your doctrine and cessationism go hand in hand. Since most healing verses are from the King Jesus. (Ooooops you guys also say Jesus is not the King)
Wow. You guys are really off.
So scratch that book from your reading. It definately does not apply to the church.
Romans also. It was ONLY WRITTEN to romans.
And lets apply your 12 tribe disclaimer to romans.
Since "12 tribes" can ONLY mean Jewish nonbelievers....(dear God i cant believe the butcher job you guys play in), then Romans ,under your same logic,HAS TO ALSO mean ONLY unsaved romans.
"Who is the audience" does not mean reject bible books.
6) Most of Gods word,under your "who is the audience" is basically worthless filler.
The non pauline books,to you guys are simply fodder or filler to be exposed as "another Gospel" or teaching to non believers.
Hence your doctrine and cessationism go hand in hand. Since most healing verses are from the King Jesus. (Ooooops you guys also say Jesus is not the King)
Wow. You guys are really off.
If the non pauline books are not for gentiles,then they can not be for Jews either. Why? This makes no sense.
1) jews were blinded to the gospel(the person of Jesus) correct, before the cross and after their rejection after the cross
2) if they,the jews ,converted to christianity,
Then the non pauline books are to be avoided since they are now as paul is...BORN AGAIN. (oooops Jesus said that,so we must not use that term) Incorrect, they would not be Jews anymore but the body of Christ. Jesus was prophesying to the time after the cross, when the Son of man is lifted up.
3) the Holy Spirit did wrong,thought wrongly,and lead the church wrongly for centuries untill your top people, miles stafford & co. ,saved us. Opinions do not matter. Let God be true and Everyman a liar.
4) Jesus spoke to his followers in parables HIDING THE MYSTERIES from the Jews. Only after their rejection and He as headed to the cross. Before that, He spoke plain truth to them
But then you guys come alomg and refute Jesus by saying it was the Jews that Jesus was talking to. Why did Jesus forbid the gospel of the kingdom to go the the Gentiles?
It is LUDICROUS because once they converted they now needed you guys to tell them NOT to obey the master as he was preaching a different gospel. Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Paul’s gospel of grace has been preached to all the world, to all nations. Why didn’t the end come if it’s the same message?
5) to top it off , at the council in Jerusalem Paul said nothing. He was there and said nothing.....meaning he let a "heretic" ,peter,spread a different gospel.
You guys are in SERIOUS error. Peter was not a heretic, but preached only what had been revealed unto him. Remember, Acts is a transition book fro Jew to Gentile, from Peter being the main spokesmen to Paul.
1) jews were blinded to the gospel(the person of Jesus) correct, before the cross and after their rejection after the cross
2) if they,the jews ,converted to christianity,
Then the non pauline books are to be avoided since they are now as paul is...BORN AGAIN. (oooops Jesus said that,so we must not use that term) Incorrect, they would not be Jews anymore but the body of Christ. Jesus was prophesying to the time after the cross, when the Son of man is lifted up.
3) the Holy Spirit did wrong,thought wrongly,and lead the church wrongly for centuries untill your top people, miles stafford & co. ,saved us. Opinions do not matter. Let God be true and Everyman a liar.
4) Jesus spoke to his followers in parables HIDING THE MYSTERIES from the Jews. Only after their rejection and He as headed to the cross. Before that, He spoke plain truth to them
But then you guys come alomg and refute Jesus by saying it was the Jews that Jesus was talking to. Why did Jesus forbid the gospel of the kingdom to go the the Gentiles?
It is LUDICROUS because once they converted they now needed you guys to tell them NOT to obey the master as he was preaching a different gospel. Matthew 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come. Paul’s gospel of grace has been preached to all the world, to all nations. Why didn’t the end come if it’s the same message?
5) to top it off , at the council in Jerusalem Paul said nothing. He was there and said nothing.....meaning he let a "heretic" ,peter,spread a different gospel.
You guys are in SERIOUS error. Peter was not a heretic, but preached only what had been revealed unto him. Remember, Acts is a transition book fro Jew to Gentile, from Peter being the main spokesmen to Paul.
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I can give you every verse containing the phrase “twelve tribes” throughout the OT and NT, and in every instance the passage is a reference to the nation of Israel as a whole and never a called out group from that nation (as Jewish Christians).
We are to read and study all Scripture knowing the audience so we don’t apply a doctrine falsely on the body of Christ.
We are to read and study all Scripture knowing the audience so we don’t apply a doctrine falsely on the body of Christ.
Is the following passages from James written to you a saved believer in Christ?
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. Haven’t you received the word and your soul already saved?
1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
One must spiritualize this entire passage to make it fit the body of Christ.
All throughout James, the rich is condemned. Why? According to the worlds standards, we are rich. Are we condemned for being rich?
21 Wherefore lay apart all filthiness and superfluity of naughtiness, and receive with meekness the engrafted word, which is able to save your souls. Haven’t you received the word and your soul already saved?
1 From whence come wars and fightings among you? come they not hence, even of your lusts that war in your members?
2 Ye lust, and have not: ye kill, and desire to have, and cannot obtain: ye fight and war, yet ye have not, because ye ask not.
3 Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.
4 Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.
One must spiritualize this entire passage to make it fit the body of Christ.
All throughout James, the rich is condemned. Why? According to the worlds standards, we are rich. Are we condemned for being rich?
""2) if they,the jews ,converted to christianity,
Then the non pauline books are to be avoided since they are now as paul is...BORN AGAIN. (oooops Jesus said that,so we must not use that term) Incorrect, they would not be Jews anymore but the body of Christ. Jesus was prophesying to the time after the cross, when the Son of man is lifted up.""
lol
paul claimed to be a jew.
amazing you admit that a jew becoming born again would need to avoid the non pauline books.
See that?
Your deal falls apart.
The nt books were written by Holy Spirit baptised men to other Holy Spirit baptised men.
Even paul destroys your deal. The Jews tried to kill him when he went into their synagogs to preach.
You do not realize you are double talking to protect your false theory.
James writes to unsaved Jews (according to you) James gives them a boggus gospel(according to you)
Now suppose they get born again (remember,under your theory of a boggus gospel)
Now they have to only listen to paul?
Uh hello....you claim pauls gospel is to the gentiles. You claim the jews are are under the gospel of the kingdom(a different gospel)
So your theory is that jewish believers such as james and peter were preaching a different gospel of the law to other Jews.
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""You guys are in SERIOUS error. Peter was not a heretic, but preached only what had been revealed unto him. Remember, Acts is a transition book fro Jew to Gentile, from Peter being the main spokesmen to Paul""
You can not have it both ways. You can not claim peter preached another gospel than paul and then claim he was not a heretic.
paul himself said "if any man preach a different gospel let him be accursed"
see that?
you cant have it both ways.
and neither can you say peters message to the jews ,if a different gospel, was inspired by the Holy Spirit...if in error and conflict with Pauls gospel.
Then the non pauline books are to be avoided since they are now as paul is...BORN AGAIN. (oooops Jesus said that,so we must not use that term) Incorrect, they would not be Jews anymore but the body of Christ. Jesus was prophesying to the time after the cross, when the Son of man is lifted up.""
lol
paul claimed to be a jew.
amazing you admit that a jew becoming born again would need to avoid the non pauline books.
See that?
Your deal falls apart.
The nt books were written by Holy Spirit baptised men to other Holy Spirit baptised men.
Even paul destroys your deal. The Jews tried to kill him when he went into their synagogs to preach.
You do not realize you are double talking to protect your false theory.
James writes to unsaved Jews (according to you) James gives them a boggus gospel(according to you)
Now suppose they get born again (remember,under your theory of a boggus gospel)
Now they have to only listen to paul?
Uh hello....you claim pauls gospel is to the gentiles. You claim the jews are are under the gospel of the kingdom(a different gospel)
So your theory is that jewish believers such as james and peter were preaching a different gospel of the law to other Jews.
QUOTE;
""You guys are in SERIOUS error. Peter was not a heretic, but preached only what had been revealed unto him. Remember, Acts is a transition book fro Jew to Gentile, from Peter being the main spokesmen to Paul""
You can not have it both ways. You can not claim peter preached another gospel than paul and then claim he was not a heretic.
paul himself said "if any man preach a different gospel let him be accursed"
see that?
you cant have it both ways.
and neither can you say peters message to the jews ,if a different gospel, was inspired by the Holy Spirit...if in error and conflict with Pauls gospel.
I think we can go farther with this idea than this. We can't have a united church with two different Gods.
There is the one God who was God of the Jews and the gentiles, and everything this God did was directed to all mankind, with no difference in the direction.
Our protestant church has created a new God, they call Him Christ, who spoke differently to the people He said were chosen and the gentiles. This God disowned His chosen people and chose the gentiles to take their place. They will not listen to anything that the God who says He is the one true God says to the Israelites saying that God isn't speaking to them.
The people who accept the one true God say Christ is not a new God but God can be spoken of as Christ, God the Father, and the Holy Ghost. They accept all scripture as telling how the spiritual world actually is.
There is the one God who was God of the Jews and the gentiles, and everything this God did was directed to all mankind, with no difference in the direction.
Our protestant church has created a new God, they call Him Christ, who spoke differently to the people He said were chosen and the gentiles. This God disowned His chosen people and chose the gentiles to take their place. They will not listen to anything that the God who says He is the one true God says to the Israelites saying that God isn't speaking to them.
The people who accept the one true God say Christ is not a new God but God can be spoken of as Christ, God the Father, and the Holy Ghost. They accept all scripture as telling how the spiritual world actually is.