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Isn't it rather more then a little misleading, when "is our hope", is omitted, and exchanged subliminally, via insinuations, and bullying into a guaranteed status? 
So far you've taken posts out of context deleting most of it before you reply.. Not responded to any main point that was made... Made false accusations or assumptions while ignoring posts within 1 page of your accusation that would disprove your claim.... made strawmen which not even one person argued for, to argue with yourself.....
and now youre playing word games?
Yes I am secure in Christ.
This will not change.
I could not unknow my Father.
Even if you try to use trigger words like bully.
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So, of course, if one is already saved. There is NO danger of ever grieving the Spirit? Yes?
Ephesians 4
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Sounds like the Holy spirit of God CAN be grieved!
What takes place "should/IF" this ever happens?
God, the Father? At that time? INSTANTLY becomes one's "adversary!"
As noted HERE!:
Matthew 5
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him (Accept His correction); lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
This is the "no escape clause", for ALL believers!
Because we all are "lawless" (sinners), and we have all at one time, or another "grieved the Holy Spirit of God!"
"Prison" is also the place where and when this takes place!:
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (Paying "farthings" for grieving")
Where, and when, one "learns", or "gets learnt" (or not) THIS:
Hebrews 6
Therefore moving beyond the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto Spiritual maturity; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
And THIS is what happens "if and/or when" when these things are NOT done!:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement (reconciled ourselves) ; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Thaz what "gets me!"
2,000+ years? Got 2 eyes? And still can't see!
Got 2 ears? And still can't hear!
Believe in Jesus? Walk in love? It's all "good!"
Until God speaks in His "John Wayne" voice?
"Not so fast there, "Pilgrim!"
Which is borne out all the more truer here:
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
But...But...But?
22 Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Don't seem so! Does it?
Ephesians 4
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Sounds like the Holy spirit of God CAN be grieved!
What takes place "should/IF" this ever happens?
God, the Father? At that time? INSTANTLY becomes one's "adversary!"
As noted HERE!:
Matthew 5
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him (Accept His correction); lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
This is the "no escape clause", for ALL believers!
Because we all are "lawless" (sinners), and we have all at one time, or another "grieved the Holy Spirit of God!"
"Prison" is also the place where and when this takes place!:
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (Paying "farthings" for grieving")
Where, and when, one "learns", or "gets learnt" (or not) THIS:
Hebrews 6
Therefore moving beyond the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto Spiritual maturity; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
And THIS is what happens "if and/or when" when these things are NOT done!:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement (reconciled ourselves) ; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Thaz what "gets me!"
2,000+ years? Got 2 eyes? And still can't see!
Got 2 ears? And still can't hear!
Believe in Jesus? Walk in love? It's all "good!"
Until God speaks in His "John Wayne" voice?
"Not so fast there, "Pilgrim!"
Which is borne out all the more truer here:
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
But...But...But?
22 Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Don't seem so! Does it?
What are you talking about?
So far you've taken posts out of context deleting most of it before you reply.. Not responded to any main point that was made... Made false accusations or assumptions while ignoring posts within 1 page of your accusation that would disprove your claim.... made strawmen which not even one person argued for, to argue with yourself.....
and now youre playing word games?
Yes I am secure in Christ.
This will not change.
I could not unknow my Father.
Even if you try to use trigger words like bully.
So far you've taken posts out of context deleting most of it before you reply.. Not responded to any main point that was made... Made false accusations or assumptions while ignoring posts within 1 page of your accusation that would disprove your claim.... made strawmen which not even one person argued for, to argue with yourself.....
and now youre playing word games?
Yes I am secure in Christ.
This will not change.
I could not unknow my Father.
Even if you try to use trigger words like bully.
What's "Spirit", is "Spirit!"
So, of course, if one is already saved. There is NO danger of ever grieving the Spirit? Yes?
Ephesians 4
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Sounds like the Holy spirit of God CAN be grieved!
What takes place "should/IF" this ever happens?
God, the Father? At that time? INSTANTLY becomes one's "adversary!"
As noted HERE!:
Matthew 5
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him (Accept His correction); lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
This is the "no escape clause", for ALL believers!
Because we all are "lawless" (sinners), and we have all at one time, or another "grieved the Holy Spirit of God!"
"Prison" is also the place where and when this takes place!:
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (Paying "farthings" for grieving")
Where, and when, one "learns", or "gets learnt" (or not) THIS:
Hebrews 6
Therefore moving beyond the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto Spiritual maturity; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
And THIS is what happens "if and/or when" when these things are NOT done!:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement (reconciled ourselves) ; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Thaz what "gets me!"
2,000+ years? Got 2 eyes? And still can't see!
Got 2 ears? And still can't hear!
Believe in Jesus? Walk in love? It's all "good!"
Until God speaks in His "John Wayne" voice?
"Not so fast there, "Pilgrim!"
Which is borne out all the more truer here:
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
But...But...But?
22 Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Don't seem so! Does it?
Ephesians 4
29 Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth, but that which is good to the use of edifying, that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Sounds like the Holy spirit of God CAN be grieved!
What takes place "should/IF" this ever happens?
God, the Father? At that time? INSTANTLY becomes one's "adversary!"
As noted HERE!:
Matthew 5
25 Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him (Accept His correction); lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.
26 Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.
This is the "no escape clause", for ALL believers!
Because we all are "lawless" (sinners), and we have all at one time, or another "grieved the Holy Spirit of God!"
"Prison" is also the place where and when this takes place!:
1 Peter 2
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. (Paying "farthings" for grieving")
Where, and when, one "learns", or "gets learnt" (or not) THIS:
Hebrews 6
Therefore moving beyond the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto Spiritual maturity; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
And THIS is what happens "if and/or when" when these things are NOT done!:
Isaiah 28
15 Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement (reconciled ourselves) ; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves:
Thaz what "gets me!"
2,000+ years? Got 2 eyes? And still can't see!
Got 2 ears? And still can't hear!
Believe in Jesus? Walk in love? It's all "good!"
Until God speaks in His "John Wayne" voice?
"Not so fast there, "Pilgrim!"
Which is borne out all the more truer here:
Matthew 7:23
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
But...But...But?
22 Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Don't seem so! Does it?
I can grieve the Holy Spirit in many ways. He does not become my adversary. He is my councelor and advocate. And He sets right those who are His. Those who are not His continue into perdition
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The correct phrase is “ that which is born of the flesh is flesh, that which is born of the Spirit is Spirit. In addition, we are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit if the Spirit of Christ is in us. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His. And if we are in the Spirit, let us walk in the Spirit. And lastly, whoever is born of God heareth us (the apostles testimony) and whoever is not, does not hear.
Lays it out real nice there...
Lays it out real nice there...
Reminds me of the story about a farmer that bought a mule from another farmer. Paid a good price for him too!
After a few days the farmer brought the mule back, demanding his money.
"I thought you told me this mule was obedient!"
"He doesn't move when I say giddyup!"
To which the seller took a 2x4 over to the mule, hit him right betweenst the eyes, and whispered "Giddyup."
"See?" Sez the seller. "He obeys just fine!"
"Just have to get his attention!"
Meaning? The farmer had the attention of the mule.
Yet, the mule didn't have the farmers attention.
Until the farmer did something to "gain" the mules attention.
So what does God have to do to "gain" our attention?
Sickness? Earthquakes? Floods? Wars?
After a few days the farmer brought the mule back, demanding his money.
"I thought you told me this mule was obedient!"
"He doesn't move when I say giddyup!"
To which the seller took a 2x4 over to the mule, hit him right betweenst the eyes, and whispered "Giddyup."
"See?" Sez the seller. "He obeys just fine!"
"Just have to get his attention!"
Meaning? The farmer had the attention of the mule.
Yet, the mule didn't have the farmers attention.
Until the farmer did something to "gain" the mules attention.
So what does God have to do to "gain" our attention?
Sickness? Earthquakes? Floods? Wars?
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I fear a sort of "political correctness" has been accepted within church circles in an attempt to suppress truth.
They will accuse of "lack of love" .... very similar to the prevalent world view methinks too.
Bad day coming when Christians allow their speech to be censored by worldly standards.
Oh yes those that get triggered... "snowflakes" .... easily offended.
They will accuse of "lack of love" .... very similar to the prevalent world view methinks too.
Bad day coming when Christians allow their speech to be censored by worldly standards.
Oh yes those that get triggered... "snowflakes" .... easily offended.
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So does this:
Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
Romans 8
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.
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One day they will have to give an account to Christ, realizing then... what they don't understand now.
(Romans 14:12)
Woe to them!
(Romans 14:12)
Woe to them!
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Reminds me of the story about a farmer that bought a mule from another farmer. Paid a good price for him too!
After a few days the farmer brought the mule back, demanding his money.
"I thought you told me this mule was obedient!"
"He doesn't move when I say giddyup!"
To which the seller took a 2x4 over to the mule, hit him right betweenst the eyes, and whispered "Giddyup."
"See?" Sez the seller. "He obeys just fine!"
"Just have to get his attention!"
Meaning? The farmer had the attention of the mule.
Yet, the mule didn't have the farmers attention.
Until the farmer did something to "gain" the mules attention.
So what does God have to do to "gain" our attention?
Sickness? Earthquakes? Floods? Wars?
After a few days the farmer brought the mule back, demanding his money.
"I thought you told me this mule was obedient!"
"He doesn't move when I say giddyup!"
To which the seller took a 2x4 over to the mule, hit him right betweenst the eyes, and whispered "Giddyup."
"See?" Sez the seller. "He obeys just fine!"
"Just have to get his attention!"
Meaning? The farmer had the attention of the mule.
Yet, the mule didn't have the farmers attention.
Until the farmer did something to "gain" the mules attention.
So what does God have to do to "gain" our attention?
Sickness? Earthquakes? Floods? Wars?
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Yes I would agree... although so far you have not really said much anyway.
The real irony is that you slander falsely and what you accuse of is exactly reflected back on you,
You stand against the Gospel..... salvation by faith through grace apart from works which is eternally secure .... therefore it is you that preaches .
Quite Ironic indeed.
Can we assume you are a Jehovah Witness then?
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People tend to caricature those they disagree with. Just because you teach works don’t save, doesn’t mean your anti-holiness or anti-works.
We just need to put these in their proper place
And I will add that someone who teaches good works in a Christians life (already saved) is not anti-grace. Unless they put them in an improper place, ie means of justification or salvation
I know you know this, but speaking to the audience in general
We just need to put these in their proper place
And I will add that someone who teaches good works in a Christians life (already saved) is not anti-grace. Unless they put them in an improper place, ie means of justification or salvation
I know you know this, but speaking to the audience in general
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