Mystery Babylon

What is Mystery Babylon?
Before we answer this we have to understand what was Babylon?

Babylon was a the place/government/power/culture/religion... where God's people were taken, and held in captivity. God had to lead, freed and thus save his people out of Babylon.

What is Mystery Babylon? Mystery Babylon is another power/culture/government/religion/place that follows Babylon... where God's people are held in Captivity.

After the Jews crucified Jesus, did they (Judea) become like a Babylon? Did they become like a place that held God's people captive? Perhaps the answer is yes. So perhaps Judea 33AD - 73 AD does fit Mystery Babylon. Perhaps Judea 33AD - 73 AD became the first example of Mystery Babylon. I am not certain.

But does only Judea 33AD - 73 AD fit Mystery Babylon? No.
The Roman Catholic Church, the Church of England, and other state religions etc... also fit into Mystery Babylon.

What I think is the most important message of Revelation 17 and 18 is that God's people are still held captive in (Mystery) Babylon today. The Mystery is determining where and what is this Babylon today? God's people yesterday, today, and tomorrow have to be brought out (or saved out) of (Mystery) Babylon.

To say that Mystery Babylon, once existed but is no more, or to say that it is yet to exist, this is the bigger error.
I see Revelation as providing believers of all generation hints and clues on how to avoid the deceptions and the institutions of the great deceiver.

Revelation 13:15,,,, https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13-15.htm The Jews involved in the first, second and third revolt did not worship Caesar nor it's/his image as God see Josephus,wars 2 http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html ...

The Jews involved in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd revolts did not fulfill Revelation 13:15 because they did not believe in Jesus as the Messiah and wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb https://biblehub.com/revelation/7-14.htm ...

Jews in ad66-70,,,, "revolt",,,, (opposite of worship the image of the beast). Christians wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb not unbelieving Jews. 1.1 unbelieving Jews died during the siege in the first Jewish revolt and none of them believed in Jesus as their Messiah and King(night and day difference).

Right on, iamsoandso!

The saints referred to in Rev.13:7, is referring to the great tribulation saints introduced in Rev.7:9-17.

So the "Everlasting Gospel" is it the same as the Gospel we have today or will it be replaced with another?

It wouldn't be called EVERLASTING if it wasn't about the Good News of Jesus Christ would it ? Nothing is EVERLASTING but God. No other Gospel is everlasting.

Right on, iamsoandso!

The saints referred to in Rev.13:7, is referring to the great tribulation saints introduced in Rev.7:9-17.

Then so if the Gospel Paul spoke of in Galatians were preceded by another then the angel in Rev.14:6 would be cursed, so the angel in 14:6 preaches the same Gospel as then in the first century ad by the Apostles. Afterwards when the testimony is finished then the voice of the bride and the bridegroom will no more be heard in Babylon nor it's light given.

Agreed, the Rev. 13 Saints are the 70th week Saints, the Jews who Flee Judea are protected in Petra, the Gentiles who make up the Remnant Church seen in Rev. 12:17 are these Saints, I suppose some Jews who repent will not make it to Petra. However the Saints seen in Rev, 7:9-17 are the Raptured Saints that came out of the Church Age Tribulation.

As in 2000 some odd years is GREATER than 7 years. We limit what God can see as Great by mandating it has to be the 70th week....WHY ? Jesus told us we would have continual tribulation. There is a Greatest ever troubles and the 2000 some odd year Church age tribulation of the Church Age Saints.

Well since we see the Church in Rev. 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are opened, and the have what Jesus promised the Churches in Rev. chapters 2 and 3, Crowns, Thrones and Robes, and come from many nations, tongues etc. etc. and are REDEEMED by Jesus' blood, it can only be the Church Age Saints already in Heaven before the Seals are opened. So Rev. 7:9-17 has to be these same Raptured Saints, and can't be the 70th week tribulation Saints by definition, because of two verses that specifically tell us it can't be those described here.

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should REST yet for a little season, UNTIL their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed AS THEY WERE, should be FULFILLED.

The 5th Seal Martyrs are SPECIFICALLY TOLD, they must wait until their fellow brothers are killed in LIKE MANNER as they were, thus by the Beast Tyrant who we know rules for 42 Months until Jesus shows up on Mt. Zion, defeats him, and casts him into hell.

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The reason we know the Rev. 7:9-16 Saints can't be the 70th week Tribulations Saints is these two verses above.

So if those that died during the 70th week, are only judged AFTER Jesus returns to defeat the Beast, how can it be the in Heaven in Rev. 7:9-17 ? It can't be them, but it can bee the Church Age Saints who were Raptured Pre Trib, who died over 2000 years by the Millions, many at the hand of Islamic Hordes. Many by the hands of the Romans, etc. etc.

The church is not mentioned anywhere in the narrative of God's wrath, but are caught up in Rev.4:1. It is the great tribulation saints who are in view throughout chapters 6 thru 18.

The tribulation that Jesus said believers would experience come at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. The time of the tribulation period is the time of God's wrath, the day of the Lord, including the beasts reign. It's all apart of God's wrath, which the church is not appointed to suffer.

Church = Caught up in Rev.4:1

Great tribulation Saints = Those who become believers in Christ after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath.

The above are also saints who will been killed during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. Their bothers and fellow servants, are those who are killed during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, also known as the great tribulation.

The above is once again referring to the great tribulation saints. It is the same group mentioned in Rev.15:2

"And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, beside which stood those who had conquered the beast and his image and the number of his name. They were holding harps from God, and they sang the song of God’s servant Moses and of the Lamb:

First of all they're not judged, their resurrected after Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. Rev.7:9-17 is a vision of those who will come out of the great tribulation, not real time.

Its the same Gospel, the Bride is not on earth during the 70th week, nor is the Groom of course, they {we} are Marrying the Lamb in Heaven, see Rev. 19. Babylon = the Whole World. Its a metaphor for Satan's Dark Kingdom on earth. He told Jesus in Luke 4 that all these Kingdoms were his to do as he pleased with.

It's interesting that you mention the seventieth week in that in Daniel there is no mention of an harlot /woman who is riding any of the beast in the book of Daniel. Now in Revelation 17:8 the scarlet colored beast(the one John saw and was having explained to him) was and is not and was said to ascend out of the pit afterwards so was not in the earth at the time Revelation was given to John. The ten horns(Rev.17:12) had not yet received a kingdom as kings yet(at the time Revelation was seen/given)...

Now you said "Babylon=the Whole World" but Rome existed when the Revelation was given but the scarlet beast with seven heads nor the ten kings/horns did according to the angel(it was in the pit). So what is being explained by the angel had not yet ascended out of the pit but it had been before then in the earth "it had received a deadly wound and was in the pit awaiting being healed"...

I apologize for my delay in response "I'm an old man and took a nap,lol"

I'm 55, just had my prostrate taken out, had a Heart attack three years ago and have diabetes, and I ran 5 miles a day until age 40. So I now feel like an old man also, so I know the feeling, LOL.

The False Prophet is not mentioned in Daniel either, and there is a specific reason for that {Later}. The Book of Revelation {BoR} is more about Judgment, and notice the Harlot is Judged in Rev. 17. Daniel was living amongst the Harlotry in Babylon, no doubt, but it wasn't about to be judged at that time, Babylon was, but Persia was up next via her Harlotry, followed by Greece then Rome.

As per the Scarlet Colored Beast that was, is not, yet is, notice he has NO CROWNS, in Rev. 12 the Red Dragon has 7 Crowns on 7 Heads because its designating Satan as that entity its speaking of. In Rev. 13, the Beast there has 10 Crowns on the 10 horns/kings, because its designating the Anti-Christ/Man of Sin/Little Horn as the one that is being spoken of. In Rev. 17, the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS, because he is a Demon that is not over Satan and hes not a Human that can have a Kingdom on earth. We see in Ephesians 6:12 that Satan places Demons over regions.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So we have a Demon that Satan placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region, he was OF THE SEVEN but is an 8th according to Rev. ch. 17. So he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia {SEE Daniel 10 here} Greece, and Rome........then he was placed in the Bottomless Pit for the duration of the Church Age, until the First Woe where he is released, his name is Apollyon, he kills the Two-witnesses. Thus there is no Beast during the Church Age, the Church eventually delivered the Mortal Wound to Beast system, we turned Rome from an Anti-God Beast into a Conveyor belt of the Gospel via our blood !! When the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel and the MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, the Beast will again live, but only after the Church is Raptured, during the 70th week.

In Daniel 10, where we see the prince of Persia resist Micheal for 21 days, the prince of Persia was Apollyon, the Destroyer. God demanded Alexander the Great come to power and Apollyon resisted Him, to no avail of course.

This is why the Scarlet Colored Beast WAS.........IS NOT...........YET IS.

The DEADLY WOUND happens to the Figurative Seven Headed Beast, the Church delivered the Wound, Jesus told us that the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church. So we overcame the Beast, and God locked Apollyon in the pit. Once we are Raptured, the Anti-Christ can them come forth and Conquer Jerusalem and the Mediterranean Sea Region once again, hence he arises out of the Mediterranean Sea every time.

As per the False Prophet, he will be a Jewish High Priest. If Daniel had prophesied about him, the Jewish leaders would have killed every other High Priest for the next 500 years, just like King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. So Daniel was never given the False Prophet, but John was, because basically Israel was Dead Men's Bones for 2000 years until 1948. It didn't really matter. We have an EXACT TYPE of the Anti-Christ in Antiochus Epiphanes, but we also have the EXACT TYPE False Prophet in Jason {real name Yeshua} whom Antiochus appointed High Priest when Jason bribed him, and thereby had his real brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias III killed. Jason tried to Hellenize the Jews, meaning he tried to get them to be like the Greeks and to serve the Greek Gods. This caused the Maccabean Revolt however. Likewise, the coming False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest that mandates {Rev. 13} the whole world worship the Beast and his Image or die.

Babylon is just code for this whole evil world that God despises. Rev. 16:19 tells us that, God sees ALL THE KINGS that he defeats from the WHOLE WORLD as Babylon the Great. He calls them Babylon the Great in that verse.

God Bless.

I'm 55, just had my prostrate taken out, had a Heart attack three years ago and have diabetes, and I ran 5 miles a day until age 40. So I now feel like an old man also, so I know the feeling, LOL.

The False Prophet is not mentioned in Daniel either, and there is a specific reason for that {Later}. The Book of Revelation {BoR} is more about Judgment, and notice the Harlot is Judged in Rev. 17. Daniel was living amongst the Harlotry in Babylon, no doubt, but it wasn't about to be judged at that time, Babylon was, but Persia was up next via her Harlotry, followed by Greece then Rome.

As per the Scarlet Colored Beast that was, is not, yet is, notice he has NO CROWNS, in Rev. 12 the Red Dragon has 7 Crowns on 7 Heads because its designating Satan as that entity its speaking of. In Rev. 13, the Beast there has 10 Crowns on the 10 horns/kings, because its designating the Anti-Christ/Man of Sin/Little Horn as the one that is being spoken of. In Rev. 17, the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS, because he is a Demon that is not over Satan and hes not a Human that can have a Kingdom on earth. We see in Ephesians 6:12 that Satan places Demons over regions.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So we have a Demon that Satan placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region, he was OF THE SEVEN but is an 8th according to Rev. ch. 17. So he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia {SEE Daniel 10 here} Greece, and Rome........then he was placed in the Bottomless Pit for the duration of the Church Age, until the First Woe where he is released, his name is Apollyon, he kills the Two-witnesses. Thus there is no Beast during the Church Age, the Church eventually delivered the Mortal Wound to Beast system, we turned Rome from an Anti-God Beast into a Conveyor belt of the Gospel via our blood !! When the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel and the MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, the Beast will again live, but only after the Church is Raptured, during the 70th week.

In Daniel 10, where we see the prince of Persia resist Micheal for 21 days, the prince of Persia was Apollyon, the Destroyer. God demanded Alexander the Great come to power and Apollyon resisted Him, to no avail of course.

This is why the Scarlet Colored Beast WAS.........IS NOT...........YET IS.

The DEADLY WOUND happens to the Figurative Seven Headed Beast, the Church delivered the Wound, Jesus told us that the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church. So we overcame the Beast, and God locked Apollyon in the pit. Once we are Raptured, the Anti-Christ can them come forth and Conquer Jerusalem and the Mediterranean Sea Region once again, hence he arises out of the Mediterranean Sea every time.

As per the False Prophet, he will be a Jewish High Priest. If Daniel had prophesied about him, the Jewish leaders would have killed every other High Priest for the next 500 years, just like King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. So Daniel was never given the False Prophet, but John was, because basically Israel was Dead Men's Bones for 2000 years until 1948. It didn't really matter. We have an EXACT TYPE of the Anti-Christ in Antiochus Epiphanes, but we also have the EXACT TYPE False Prophet in Jason {real name Yeshua} whom Antiochus appointed High Priest when Jason bribed him, and thereby had his real brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias III killed. Jason tried to Hellenize the Jews, meaning he tried to get them to be like the Greeks and to serve the Greek Gods. This caused the Maccabean Revolt however. Likewise, the coming False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest that mandates {Rev. 13} the whole world worship the Beast and his Image or die.

Babylon is just code for this whole evil world that God despises. Rev. 16:19 tells us that, God sees ALL THE KINGS that he defeats from the WHOLE WORLD as Babylon the Great. He calls them Babylon the Great in that verse.

God Bless.

Contrary to mainstream belief found in both histories theologians and modern(www) theologians exegesis of Revelation 9 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9.htm in Revelation 9:4-5 the scripture states who can and cannot be hurt by the actions of those who come out of the pit(it says only those "not having the seal of God on their foreheads" so they hurt the ones that don't have Gods seal not the ones who do.


We did not wound any of the governments we are told in Romans 13 that we are to see the governments over us as ordained by God https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13.htm and to in Ephesians 6:5,,Colossians 3:22,,,1 Peter 2:18-20 to honor the masters over us,,,that is until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled you are still under their rule the same as Israel.

If the ten generals that Josephus named in his writings loose the war(which they did) then it does not match what is written in the word of God because the ten horns/kings in his word don't get defeated by Babylon...

In Revelation 17:16 the ten horns hate the prostitute and burn her with fire,,do you think the ten kings and the ten horns are the same?

The ten horns/kings burn Babylon with fire,they and the beast hate the harlot,they make her desolate and naked Rev.17:16 (the ten generals from Josephus loose the war with Rome)...

Like I said, Babylon is this evil world under Satan's rule. The Bride is in the world know, the light of the world imho is the Church, once we are Raprured to Heaven to marry the Lamb the above verse you cited would thus be fulfilled, so that was a good catch, as per my belief anyway. Rev. 18, is as I stated above, speaking about the 42 month Wrath of God on this wicked world.