Mystery Babylon

[PlainWord]

What is Mystery Babylon?
Before we answer this we have to understand what was Babylon?

Babylon was a the place/government/power/culture/religion... where God's people were taken, and held in captivity. God had to lead, freed and thus save his people out of Babylon.

What is Mystery Babylon? Mystery Babylon is another power/culture/government/religion/place that follows Babylon... where God's people are held in Captivity.

After the Jews crucified Jesus, did they (Judea) become like a Babylon? Did they become like a place that held God's people captive? Perhaps the answer is yes. So perhaps Judea 33AD - 73 AD does fit Mystery Babylon. Perhaps Judea 33AD - 73 AD became the first example of Mystery Babylon. I am not certain.

But does only Judea 33AD - 73 AD fit Mystery Babylon? No.
The Roman Catholic Church, the Church of England, and other state religions etc... also fit into Mystery Babylon.

What I think is the most important message of Revelation 17 and 18 is that God's people are still held captive in (Mystery) Babylon today. The Mystery is determining where and what is this Babylon today? God's people yesterday, today, and tomorrow have to be brought out (or saved out) of (Mystery) Babylon.

To say that Mystery Babylon, once existed but is no more, or to say that it is yet to exist, this is the bigger error.
I see Revelation as providing believers of all generation hints and clues on how to avoid the deceptions and the institutions of the great deceiver.

You are on the right track concerning first century Judea. It was under the political and religious control of Roman leaders working hand-in-hand with the Jewish priests. In an unholy alliance they enslaved the people. During the Roman-Jewish War of 66-70 AD the Romans invaded the surrounding cities conquering one-by-one. The people fled all over the place (many went back to Egypt) with many, if not most, retreating to Jerusalem where they believed they would be safe due to its triple high walls and it's situation on elevated land where it would be easy to defend and impossible (in their minds) to sack. Thus when Titus surrounded them in fulfillment of Luke 19, he made them all captive within the city walls. For awhile the people ignored the invaders as they were more concerned with their own civil strife and civil war. Those who tried to leave where largely killed especially as time went on.

The "robbers" as the zealots were called, would also kill anyone trying to leave, further enslaving the people. The robbers used false prophets to keep the people in line, just as Jesus predicted. These false prophets reassured the people just as the false prophets did in Ezekiel's day. The Ezekiel false prophets assured people they were safe when Babylon was preparing to strike and wipe them out in total devastation and desolation. Thus, the next desolation would come in 70 AD when not one stone of the city (not just the temple) would be thrown down.

John depicts the Harlot (Jewish system) "riding" or being supported by the Roman beast. The imagery is clear. Rome was the 4th beast of Daniel. It had 7 heads or Caesars with Vespasian being the 7th. The 8th, which was part of the first 7, was Titus - the destroyer. He would not reign until 81 AD thus he was not counted among the first 7 in Rev 13 but was later mentioned in Rev 17 as he would be on the scene then. Rome actually allowed the Jews to continue their worship and traditions, unlike the rest of the Roman empire which had to declare Caesar as their King and god. In exchange for this privilege, the Jews had to pay Rome a double tribute as compared to the rest of the empire. This amounted to a 4% of the people's wages. This extra 2% was a key contributing factor in their revolt. Can you imagine if we only had a 4% tax today?? I digress...

There is absolutely NOTHING in the Bible that deals with our times in terms of future events other than our eventual transition to the spiritual realm and heaven and the descriptions of this realm which in the future we shall all experience. Any similarities of the RCC or other institutions are just a continuation of how man keeps getting it wrong. Time is like a worm moving about in a bowl of spaghetti. Eventually similar events occur and history repeats as the adage goes, "Those who don't learn from history are destined to repeat it."

 

[iamsoandso]

Revelation 13:15,,,, https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13-15.htm The Jews involved in the first, second and third revolt did not worship Caesar nor it's/his image as God see Josephus,wars 2 http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html ...

The Jews involved in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd revolts did not fulfill Revelation 13:15 because they did not believe in Jesus as the Messiah and wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb https://biblehub.com/revelation/7-14.htm ...

Jews in ad66-70,,,, "revolt",,,, (opposite of worship the image of the beast). Christians wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb not unbelieving Jews. 1.1 unbelieving Jews died during the siege in the first Jewish revolt and none of them believed in Jesus as their Messiah and King(night and day difference).

 

[Ahwatukee]

Revelation 13:15,,,, https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/13-15.htm The Jews involved in the first, second and third revolt did not worship Caesar nor it's/his image as God see Josephus,wars 2 http://penelope.uchicago.edu/josephus/war-2.html ...

The Jews involved in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd revolts did not fulfill Revelation 13:15 because they did not believe in Jesus as the Messiah and wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb https://biblehub.com/revelation/7-14.htm ...

Jews in ad66-70,,,, "revolt",,,, (opposite of worship the image of the beast). Christians wash their robes in the blood of the Lamb not unbelieving Jews. 1.1 unbelieving Jews died during the siege in the first Jewish revolt and none of them believed in Jesus as their Messiah and King(night and day difference).

Right on, iamsoandso!

The saints referred to in Rev.13:7, is referring to the great tribulation saints introduced in Rev.7:9-17.

 

[iamsoandso]

Right on, iamsoandso!

The saints referred to in Rev.13:7, is referring to the great tribulation saints introduced in Rev.7:9-17.

In post #640(the everlasting Gospel the angel preaches) throws them off in regards to Revelation 14:6 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/14.htm in that in that day if another gospel is preached(by that angel) they will remember what Paul said and refuse to accept it as if another Gospel.

 

[Rondonmon]

So the "Everlasting Gospel" is it the same as the Gospel we have today or will it be replaced with another?

It wouldn't be called EVERLASTING if it wasn't about the Good News of Jesus Christ would it ? Nothing is EVERLASTING but God. No other Gospel is everlasting.

 

[iamsoandso]

It wouldn't be called EVERLASTING if it wasn't about the Good News of Jesus Christ would it ? Nothing is EVERLASTING but God. No other Gospel is everlasting.

Then so if the Gospel Paul spoke of in Galatians were preceded by another then the angel in Rev.14:6 would be cursed, so the angel in 14:6 preaches the same Gospel as then in the first century ad by the Apostles. Afterwards when the testimony is finished then the voice of the bride and the bridegroom will no more be heard in Babylon nor it's light given.

 

[Rondonmon]

Right on, iamsoandso!

The saints referred to in Rev.13:7, is referring to the great tribulation saints introduced in Rev.7:9-17.

Agreed, the Rev. 13 Saints are the 70th week Saints, the Jews who Flee Judea are protected in Petra, the Gentiles who make up the Remnant Church seen in Rev. 12:17 are these Saints, I suppose some Jews who repent will not make it to Petra.

However the Saints seen in Rev, 7:9-17 are the Raptured Saints that came out of the Church Age Tribulation. As in 2000 some odd years is GREATER than 7 years. We limit what God can see as Great by mandating it has to be the 70th week....WHY ? Jesus told us we would have continual tribulation. There is a Greatest ever troubles and the 2000 some odd year Church age tribulation of the Church Age Saints.

Which one fits here ?

Well since we see the Church in Rev. 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are opened, and the have what Jesus promised the Churches in Rev. chapters 2 and 3, Crowns, Thrones and Robes, and come from many nations, tongues etc. etc. and are REDEEMED by Jesus' blood, it can only be the Church Age Saints already in Heaven before the Seals are opened. So Rev. 7:9-17 has to be these same Raptured Saints, and can'y be the 70th week tribulation Saints by definition, because of two verses that specifically tell us it can't be those described here.

Rev. 6:11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should REST yet for a little season, UNTIL their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed AS THEY WERE, should be FULFILLED.

Rev. 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

The reason we know the Rev. 7:9-16 Saints can't be the 70th week Tribulations Saints is these two verses above. The 5th Seal Martyrs are SPECIFICALLY TOLD, they must wait until their fellow brothers are killed in LIKE MANNER as they were, thus by the Beast Tyrant who we know rules for 42 Months until Jesus shows up on Mt. Zion, defeats him, and casts him into hell.

Secondly, those verse Saints mentioned in the 5th Seal are shown in Rev. 20:4 to be Judged AFTER Jesus' Second Coming, we see them described as the ones who died {beheaded} instead of taking the Mark of the Beast, and it is stated these that died at that point in time will live and reign on earth with Christ Jesus for 1000 years. So if those that died during the 70th week, are only judged AFTER Jesus returns to defeat the Beast, how can it be the in Heaven in Rev. 7:9-17 ? It can't be them, but it can bee the Church Age Saints who were Raptured Pre Trib, who died over 2000 years by the Millions, many at the hand of Islamic Hordes. Many by the hands of the Romans, etc. etc.

We see the Church in Rev. 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are opened and in Rev. 7 AFTER the Seals are opened.

 

[Rondonmon]

Then so if the Gospel Paul spoke of in Galatians were preceded by another then the angel in Rev.14:6 would be cursed, so the angel in 14:6 preaches the same Gospel as then in the first century ad by the Apostles. Afterwards when the testimony is finished then the voice of the bride and the bridegroom will no more be heard in Babylon nor it's light given.

Its the same Gospel, the Bride is not on earth during the 70th week, nor is the Groom of course, they {we} are Marrying the Lamb in Heaven, see Rev. 19. Babylon = the Whole World. Its a metaphor for Satan's Dark Kingdom on earth. He told Jesus in Luke 4 that all these Kingdoms were his to do as he pleased with.

 

[Ahwatukee]

Agreed, the Rev. 13 Saints are the 70th week Saints, the Jews who Flee Judea are protected in Petra, the Gentiles who make up the Remnant Church seen in Rev. 12:17 are these Saints, I suppose some Jews who repent will not make it to Petra. However the Saints seen in Rev, 7:9-17 are the Raptured Saints that came out of the Church Age Tribulation.

The church is not mentioned anywhere in the narrative of God's wrath, but are caught up in Rev.4:1. It is the great tribulation saints who are in view throughout chapters 6 thru 18.

As in 2000 some odd years is GREATER than 7 years. We limit what God can see as Great by mandating it has to be the 70th week....WHY ? Jesus told us we would have continual tribulation. There is a Greatest ever troubles and the 2000 some odd year Church age tribulation of the Church Age Saints.

The tribulation that Jesus said believers would experience come at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. The time of the tribulation period is the time of God's wrath, the day of the Lord, including the beasts reign. It's all apart of God's wrath, which the church is not appointed to suffer.

Well since we see the Church in Rev. 4 and 5 BEFORE the Seals are opened, and the have what Jesus promised the Churches in Rev. chapters 2 and 3, Crowns, Thrones and Robes, and come from many nations, tongues etc. etc. and are REDEEMED by Jesus' blood, it can only be the Church Age Saints already in Heaven before the Seals are opened. So Rev. 7:9-17 has to be these same Raptured Saints, and can't be the 70th week tribulation Saints by definition, because of two verses that specifically tell us it can't be those described here.

Church = Caught up in Rev.4:1

Great tribulation Saints = Those who become believers in Christ after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath.

Rev. 6:11

And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should REST yet for a little season, UNTIL their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed AS THEY WERE, should be FULFILLED.

The 5th Seal Martyrs are SPECIFICALLY TOLD, they must wait until their fellow brothers are killed in LIKE MANNER as they were, thus by the Beast Tyrant who we know rules for 42 Months until Jesus shows up on Mt. Zion, defeats him, and casts him into hell.

The above are also saints who will been killed during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. Their bothers and fellow servants, are those who are killed during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, also known as the great tribulation.

Rev. 20:4

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. The reason we know the Rev. 7:9-16 Saints can't be the 70th week Tribulations Saints is these two verses above.

The above is once again referring to the great tribulation saints. It is the same group mentioned in Rev.15:2

"And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, beside which stood those who had conquered the beast and his image and the number of his name. They were holding harps from God, and they sang the song of God’s servant Moses and of the Lamb:

So if those that died during the 70th week, are only judged AFTER Jesus returns to defeat the Beast, how can it be the in Heaven in Rev. 7:9-17 ? It can't be them, but it can bee the Church Age Saints who were Raptured Pre Trib, who died over 2000 years by the Millions, many at the hand of Islamic Hordes. Many by the hands of the Romans, etc. etc.

First of all they're not judged, their resurrected after Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. Rev.7:9-17 is a vision of those who will come out of the great tribulation, not real time.

 

[Rondonmon]

The church is not mentioned anywhere in the narrative of God's wrath, but are caught up in Rev.4:1. It is the great tribulation saints who are in view throughout chapters 6 thru 18.

I agree, the church is Raptured in Rev. 4:1, but those in Rev. 7:9-17 are not on earth, but in Heaven, that's the point. Those 70th week Saints will not go go Heaven, they are judged on earth {Rev. 20:4} then serve on earth with Jesus for 1000 years. Those seen in Heaven are the Raptured Church, which means since we both believe they are Raptured in Rev. 4:1 that is right where they ought to be right ?

The tribulation that Jesus said believers would experience come at the hands of men and the powers of darkness. The time of the tribulation period is the time of God's wrath, the day of the Lord, including the beasts reign. It's all apart of God's wrath, which the church is not appointed to suffer.

The Period Jesus called the Greatest Ever Troubles will indeed be during the 70th week, but can't John via Jesus talk about the Church Age Saints which came out of the 2000 year Church Age as coming from the greatest ever period ? We have after all two period, the Church Age and the 70th Week, that's it, which is greater in length ? There are more than one way to be greater than in measurements. I used to agree with what you think here, but it can't match the people designated by the passage, they must wait until all their brothers are killed in like manner, and they are not judged until after the Second Coming, so it can't be them, but we both agree the Church is raptured pre 70th week. We just let a word great tribulation, keep us from seeing what is being spoken of, the Church Age tribulation, which we admit the church really did go through. They can't be the 70th week Saints if we take Rev. 6:11 and Rev. 20:4 into account. And we also see the Church in Rev. chapters 4 and 5 already, spoken of in the exact same manner, as coming out of Nations, Multitudes, Tongues etc. etc.

Church = Caught up in Rev.4:1

Great tribulation Saints = Those who become believers in Christ after the church has been gathered and during the time of God's wrath.

The Church is Raptured. The Tribulation Saints can be both, we have CONTINUAL TRIBULATION Jesus told us, so the Church Age is Tribulation and the 70th week is tribulation, and then we get the greatest ever troubles in the last 2.5 years. So all saints can be said to be tribulation saints and if we are discussing the two period, one is greater than the other in length, the Church Age>70 week as in 2000>7. No one gets raptured to Heaven after the 70th week begins, they get judged at the Rev. 20:4 judgment seat, and get their rewards there.

The above are also saints who will been killed during the first 3 1/2 years of that seven year period. Their bothers and fellow servants, are those who are killed during the last 3 1/2 years of that seven year period, also known as the great tribulation.

There may be tribulation during the whole 70th week, in that we have continual tribulation, but the murders by the Beast can only happen during the last 3.5 years because hes only a Beast for 3.5 years.

The above is once again referring to the great tribulation saints. It is the same group mentioned in Rev.15:2

"And I saw something like a sea of glass mixed with fire, beside which stood those who had conquered the beast and his image and the number of his name. They were holding harps from God, and they sang the song of God’s servant Moses and of the Lamb:

This is prose, you do point out the only portion I used to have trouble with, until I understood like the 7th Trump in Rev. 11 only refers to the 7 Vials in Rev. ch. 16, its the same event, as is the Rev. 14:18-20 Wine-press and the Rev. 19 Armageddon sequence. Likewise. Rev. 15 is just prose, showing the future victory of the Saints. But I get your point here brother, it shows you are indeed well versed on all things per the bible. So I am not knocking your point here.

First of all they're not judged, their resurrected after Jesus returns to the earth to end the age. Rev.7:9-17 is a vision of those who will come out of the great tribulation, not real time.

Well, we are all judged brother, we gain our crowns that way. I will go over this with you later, as I see much of Revelation as not being REAL TIME EVENTS also. But I do this this as real time, ones just on earth and one portion of the chapter is in Heaven. But I get the Parenthetic Citation angle, because I have chapters 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 17, 18 and 19 as Parenthetical Citations. So I kinda laughed when I had to argue against a chapter being a Parenthetical Citation, when I am usually arguing against people who don't understand what I am referring to on the subject. And you quoted my usual line, its not REAL TIME.

Later brother. I gotta run to the bank. Just kinda getting out after my prostrate surgery in late Nov.

 

[iamsoandso]

Its the same Gospel, the Bride is not on earth during the 70th week, nor is the Groom of course, they {we} are Marrying the Lamb in Heaven, see Rev. 19. Babylon = the Whole World. Its a metaphor for Satan's Dark Kingdom on earth. He told Jesus in Luke 4 that all these Kingdoms were his to do as he pleased with.

It's interesting that you mention the seventieth week in that in Daniel there is no mention of an harlot /woman who is riding any of the beast in the book of Daniel. Now in Revelation 17:8 the scarlet colored beast(the one John saw and was having explained to him) was and is not and was said to ascend out of the pit afterwards so was not in the earth at the time Revelation was given to John. The ten horns(Rev.17:12) had not yet received a kingdom as kings yet(at the time Revelation was seen/given)...

Now you said "Babylon=the Whole World" but Rome existed when the Revelation was given but the scarlet beast with seven heads nor the ten kings/horns did according to the angel(it was in the pit). So what is being explained by the angel had not yet ascended out of the pit but it had been before then in the earth "it had received a deadly wound and was in the pit awaiting being healed"...

I apologize for my delay in response "I'm an old man and took a nap,lol"

 

[Rondonmon]

It's interesting that you mention the seventieth week in that in Daniel there is no mention of an harlot /woman who is riding any of the beast in the book of Daniel. Now in Revelation 17:8 the scarlet colored beast(the one John saw and was having explained to him) was and is not and was said to ascend out of the pit afterwards so was not in the earth at the time Revelation was given to John. The ten horns(Rev.17:12) had not yet received a kingdom as kings yet(at the time Revelation was seen/given)...

Now you said "Babylon=the Whole World" but Rome existed when the Revelation was given but the scarlet beast with seven heads nor the ten kings/horns did according to the angel(it was in the pit). So what is being explained by the angel had not yet ascended out of the pit but it had been before then in the earth "it had received a deadly wound and was in the pit awaiting being healed"...

I apologize for my delay in response "I'm an old man and took a nap,lol"

I'm 55, just had my prostrate taken out, had a Heart attack three years ago and have diabetes, and I ran 5 miles a day until age 40. So I now feel like an old man also, so I know the feeling, LOL.

The False Prophet is not mentioned in Daniel either, and there is a specific reason for that {Later}. The Book of Revelation {BoR} is more about Judgment, and notice the Harlot is Judged in Rev. 17. Daniel was living amongst the Harlotry in Babylon, no doubt, but it wasn't about to be judged at that time, Babylon was, but Persia was up next via her Harlotry, followed by Greece then Rome.

As per the Scarlet Colored Beast that was, is not, yet is, notice he has NO CROWNS, in Rev. 12 the Red Dragon has 7 Crowns on 7 Heads because its designating Satan as that entity its speaking of. In Rev. 13, the Beast there has 10 Crowns on the 10 horns/kings, because its designating the Anti-Christ/Man of Sin/Little Horn as the one that is being spoken of. In Rev. 17, the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS, because he is a Demon that is not over Satan and hes not a Human that can have a Kingdom on earth. We see in Ephesians 6:12 that Satan places Demons over regions.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So we have a Demon that Satan placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region, he was OF THE SEVEN but is an 8th according to Rev. ch. 17. So he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia {SEE Daniel 10 here} Greece, and Rome........then he was placed in the Bottomless Pit for the duration of the Church Age, until the First Woe where he is released, his name is Apollyon, he kills the Two-witnesses. Thus there is no Beast during the Church Age, the Church eventually delivered the Mortal Wound to Beast system, we turned Rome from an Anti-God Beast into a Conveyor belt of the Gospel via our blood !! When the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel and the MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, the Beast will again live, but only after the Church is Raptured, during the 70th week.

In Daniel 10, where we see the prince of Persia resist Micheal for 21 days, the prince of Persia was Apollyon, the Destroyer. God demanded Alexander the Great come to power and Apollyon resisted Him, to no avail of course.

This is why the Scarlet Colored Beast WAS.........IS NOT...........YET IS.

The DEADLY WOUND happens to the Figurative Seven Headed Beast, the Church delivered the Wound, Jesus told us that the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church. So we overcame the Beast, and God locked Apollyon in the pit. Once we are Raptured, the Anti-Christ can them come forth and Conquer Jerusalem and the Mediterranean Sea Region once again, hence he arises out of the Mediterranean Sea every time.

As per the False Prophet, he will be a Jewish High Priest. If Daniel had prophesied about him, the Jewish leaders would have killed every other High Priest for the next 500 years, just like King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. So Daniel was never given the False Prophet, but John was, because basically Israel was Dead Men's Bones for 2000 years until 1948. It didn't really matter. We have an EXACT TYPE of the Anti-Christ in Antiochus Epiphanes, but we also have the EXACT TYPE False Prophet in Jason {real name Yeshua} whom Antiochus appointed High Priest when Jason bribed him, and thereby had his real brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias III killed. Jason tried to Hellenize the Jews, meaning he tried to get them to be like the Greeks and to serve the Greek Gods. This caused the Maccabean Revolt however. Likewise, the coming False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest that mandates {Rev. 13} the whole world worship the Beast and his Image or die.

Babylon is just code for this whole evil world that God despises. Rev. 16:19 tells us that, God sees ALL THE KINGS that he defeats from the WHOLE WORLD as Babylon the Great. He calls them Babylon the Great in that verse.

God Bless.

 

[bojack]

I'm 55, just had my prostrate taken out, had a Heart attack three years ago and have diabetes, and I ran 5 miles a day until age 40. So I now feel like an old man also, so I know the feeling, LOL.

The False Prophet is not mentioned in Daniel either, and there is a specific reason for that {Later}. The Book of Revelation {BoR} is more about Judgment, and notice the Harlot is Judged in Rev. 17. Daniel was living amongst the Harlotry in Babylon, no doubt, but it wasn't about to be judged at that time, Babylon was, but Persia was up next via her Harlotry, followed by Greece then Rome.

As per the Scarlet Colored Beast that was, is not, yet is, notice he has NO CROWNS, in Rev. 12 the Red Dragon has 7 Crowns on 7 Heads because its designating Satan as that entity its speaking of. In Rev. 13, the Beast there has 10 Crowns on the 10 horns/kings, because its designating the Anti-Christ/Man of Sin/Little Horn as the one that is being spoken of. In Rev. 17, the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS, because he is a Demon that is not over Satan and hes not a Human that can have a Kingdom on earth. We see in Ephesians 6:12 that Satan places Demons over regions.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So we have a Demon that Satan placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region, he was OF THE SEVEN but is an 8th according to Rev. ch. 17. So he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia {SEE Daniel 10 here} Greece, and Rome........then he was placed in the Bottomless Pit for the duration of the Church Age, until the First Woe where he is released, his name is Apollyon, he kills the Two-witnesses. Thus there is no Beast during the Church Age, the Church eventually delivered the Mortal Wound to Beast system, we turned Rome from an Anti-God Beast into a Conveyor belt of the Gospel via our blood !! When the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel and the MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, the Beast will again live, but only after the Church is Raptured, during the 70th week.

In Daniel 10, where we see the prince of Persia resist Micheal for 21 days, the prince of Persia was Apollyon, the Destroyer. God demanded Alexander the Great come to power and Apollyon resisted Him, to no avail of course.

This is why the Scarlet Colored Beast WAS.........IS NOT...........YET IS.

The DEADLY WOUND happens to the Figurative Seven Headed Beast, the Church delivered the Wound, Jesus told us that the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church. So we overcame the Beast, and God locked Apollyon in the pit. Once we are Raptured, the Anti-Christ can them come forth and Conquer Jerusalem and the Mediterranean Sea Region once again, hence he arises out of the Mediterranean Sea every time.

As per the False Prophet, he will be a Jewish High Priest. If Daniel had prophesied about him, the Jewish leaders would have killed every other High Priest for the next 500 years, just like King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. So Daniel was never given the False Prophet, but John was, because basically Israel was Dead Men's Bones for 2000 years until 1948. It didn't really matter. We have an EXACT TYPE of the Anti-Christ in Antiochus Epiphanes, but we also have the EXACT TYPE False Prophet in Jason {real name Yeshua} whom Antiochus appointed High Priest when Jason bribed him, and thereby had his real brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias III killed. Jason tried to Hellenize the Jews, meaning he tried to get them to be like the Greeks and to serve the Greek Gods. This caused the Maccabean Revolt however. Likewise, the coming False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest that mandates {Rev. 13} the whole world worship the Beast and his Image or die.

Babylon is just code for this whole evil world that God despises. Rev. 16:19 tells us that, God sees ALL THE KINGS that he defeats from the WHOLE WORLD as Babylon the Great. He calls them Babylon the Great in that verse.

God Bless.

I agree that the whole world is probably Babylon the Great (right now) the NWO .. I agree Israel is the clock to watch , tomorrow I may change my mind again ..

 

[iamsoandso]

I'm 55, just had my prostrate taken out, had a Heart attack three years ago and have diabetes, and I ran 5 miles a day until age 40. So I now feel like an old man also, so I know the feeling, LOL.

The False Prophet is not mentioned in Daniel either, and there is a specific reason for that {Later}. The Book of Revelation {BoR} is more about Judgment, and notice the Harlot is Judged in Rev. 17. Daniel was living amongst the Harlotry in Babylon, no doubt, but it wasn't about to be judged at that time, Babylon was, but Persia was up next via her Harlotry, followed by Greece then Rome.

As per the Scarlet Colored Beast that was, is not, yet is, notice he has NO CROWNS, in Rev. 12 the Red Dragon has 7 Crowns on 7 Heads because its designating Satan as that entity its speaking of. In Rev. 13, the Beast there has 10 Crowns on the 10 horns/kings, because its designating the Anti-Christ/Man of Sin/Little Horn as the one that is being spoken of. In Rev. 17, the Scarlet Colored Beast has NO CROWNS, because he is a Demon that is not over Satan and hes not a Human that can have a Kingdom on earth. We see in Ephesians 6:12 that Satan places Demons over regions.

Ephesians 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.

So we have a Demon that Satan placed over the Mediterranean Sea Region, he was OF THE SEVEN but is an 8th according to Rev. ch. 17. So he was over Egypt, Assyria, Babylon, Persia {SEE Daniel 10 here} Greece, and Rome........then he was placed in the Bottomless Pit for the duration of the Church Age, until the First Woe where he is released, his name is Apollyon, he kills the Two-witnesses. Thus there is no Beast during the Church Age, the Church eventually delivered the Mortal Wound to Beast system, we turned Rome from an Anti-God Beast into a Conveyor belt of the Gospel via our blood !! When the Anti-Christ Conquers Jerusalem/Israel and the MANY Nations in the Mediterranean Sea Region, the Beast will again live, but only after the Church is Raptured, during the 70th week.

In Daniel 10, where we see the prince of Persia resist Micheal for 21 days, the prince of Persia was Apollyon, the Destroyer. God demanded Alexander the Great come to power and Apollyon resisted Him, to no avail of course.

This is why the Scarlet Colored Beast WAS.........IS NOT...........YET IS.

The DEADLY WOUND happens to the Figurative Seven Headed Beast, the Church delivered the Wound, Jesus told us that the gates of hell will not prevail against his Church. So we overcame the Beast, and God locked Apollyon in the pit. Once we are Raptured, the Anti-Christ can them come forth and Conquer Jerusalem and the Mediterranean Sea Region once again, hence he arises out of the Mediterranean Sea every time.

As per the False Prophet, he will be a Jewish High Priest. If Daniel had prophesied about him, the Jewish leaders would have killed every other High Priest for the next 500 years, just like King Herod tried to kill baby Jesus. So Daniel was never given the False Prophet, but John was, because basically Israel was Dead Men's Bones for 2000 years until 1948. It didn't really matter. We have an EXACT TYPE of the Anti-Christ in Antiochus Epiphanes, but we also have the EXACT TYPE False Prophet in Jason {real name Yeshua} whom Antiochus appointed High Priest when Jason bribed him, and thereby had his real brother, a Pious High Priest named Onias III killed. Jason tried to Hellenize the Jews, meaning he tried to get them to be like the Greeks and to serve the Greek Gods. This caused the Maccabean Revolt however. Likewise, the coming False Prophet will be a Jewish High Priest that mandates {Rev. 13} the whole world worship the Beast and his Image or die.

Babylon is just code for this whole evil world that God despises. Rev. 16:19 tells us that, God sees ALL THE KINGS that he defeats from the WHOLE WORLD as Babylon the Great. He calls them Babylon the Great in that verse.

God Bless.

Contrary to mainstream belief found in both histories theologians and modern(www) theologians exegesis of Revelation 9 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9.htm in Revelation 9:4-5 the scripture states who can and cannot be hurt by the actions of those who come out of the pit(it says only those "not having the seal of God on their foreheads" so they hurt the ones that don't have Gods seal not the ones who do.


We did not wound any of the governments we are told in Romans 13 that we are to see the governments over us as ordained by God https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13.htm and to in Ephesians 6:5,,Colossians 3:22,,,1 Peter 2:18-20 to honor the masters over us,,,that is until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled you are still under their rule the same as Israel.

 

[iamsoandso]

good night,,sweet dreams...

 

[Rondonmon]

Contrary to mainstream belief found in both histories theologians and modern(www) theologians exegesis of Revelation 9 https://biblehub.com/interlinear/revelation/9.htm in Revelation 9:4-5 the scripture states who can and cannot be hurt by the actions of those who come out of the pit(it says only those "not having the seal of God on their foreheads" so they hurt the ones that don't have Gods seal not the ones who do.


We did not wound any of the governments we are told in Romans 13 that we are to see the governments over us as ordained by God https://biblehub.com/interlinear/romans/13.htm and to in Ephesians 6:5,,Colossians 3:22,,,1 Peter 2:18-20 to honor the masters over us,,,that is until the times of the gentiles are fulfilled you are still under their rule the same as Israel.

Its a Metaphor, we overcame the Beast via our blood. God locked up Apollyon. Apollyon does kill the Two-witnesses, the scripture says the Beast that arose out of the pit killed them.

Rev. 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

The Wound simply means THE BEAST GOVERNMENTS went away, it doesn't mean we took a sword and wounded them. Remember, there is no SEVEN HEADED BEAST, its a figurative Beast. So when there is no Beast it is as Dead. Just like Israel is as Dead Men's Bones unto God for nigh 2000 years until 1948, yet there was still Jews. Its the way God sees things, he saw Israel as Dead to him. He sees the Beast as Dead during the Church Age because Satan can not overcome the Church. It is what it is.

 

[PlainWord]

If the ten generals that Josephus named in his writings loose the war(which they did) then it does not match what is written in the word of God because the ten horns/kings in his word don't get defeated by Babylon...

"it does not match what is written in the word of God because the ten horns/kings in his word don't get defeated by Babylon"

Of course they don't get defeated by Babylon. THEY DEFEAT BABYLON. That's what the passage says. You fail to recognize still, after all I've tried to teach, who Babylon (the Harlot) and the Beast were. Let's review it again. The Beast was first century Rome. Babylon, the Mother of all Harlots, was first century Jerusalem and more specifically the corrupted religious order of the wicked, unbelieving, Messiah rejecting and murdering, Jewish priests. The ten kings assisted Titus to defeat this harlot, which they did!! All priests were killed by the forces of these 10 horns and by the forces of Rome. Read Josephus. He goes into great detail as to the killing of the priests which began long before Titus arrived and continued until Titus finished them off.

 

[PlainWord]

In Revelation 17:16 the ten horns hate the prostitute and burn her with fire,,do you think the ten kings and the ten horns are the same?

What does it say??

12 “The ten horns which you saw are ten kings who have received no kingdom as yet, but they receive authority for one hour as kings with the beast.

 

[PlainWord]

The ten horns/kings burn Babylon with fire,they and the beast hate the harlot,they make her desolate and naked Rev.17:16 (the ten generals from Josephus loose the war with Rome)...

It isn't Rome, the Beast, that they defeat!! It is the Harlot that they defeat!! Good grief. They, along with Rome, were external forces which attacked Jerusalem. Read Josephus. The Idumeans, lead by Niger, were key players in defeating the priestly order.

 

[PlainWord]

Like I said, Babylon is this evil world under Satan's rule. The Bride is in the world know, the light of the world imho is the Church, once we are Raprured to Heaven to marry the Lamb the above verse you cited would thus be fulfilled, so that was a good catch, as per my belief anyway. Rev. 18, is as I stated above, speaking about the 42 month Wrath of God on this wicked world.

The 42 month Wrath of God and the Lamb happened from 67 AD to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. Do the math. This from Wikipedia discusses several of the horns and what they did:

The experienced and unassuming general Vespasian was then tasked with crushing the rebellion in Judaea province. His son Titus was appointed second-in-command. Vespasian was given four legions and assisted by forces of King Agrippa II. In 67 CE he invaded Galilee. While avoiding a direct attack on the reinforced city of Jerusalem which was packed with the main rebel force, Titus' forces launched a persistent campaign to eradicate rebel strongholds and punish the population. Within several months Vespasian and Titus took over the major Jewish strongholds of Galilee and finally overran Jotapata under command of Yosef ben Matitiyahu, following a 47-day siege. Meantime in Jerusalem, an attempt by Sicarii leader Menahem to take control of the city failed, resulting in his execution. A peasant leader Simon Bar-Giora was ousted from the city by the new moderate Judean government and Ananus ben Ananus began reinforcing the city.

Driven from Galilee, Zealot rebels and thousands of refugees arrived in Judea, creating political turmoil in Jerusalem. Zealots were at first sealed in the Temple compound. However, confrontation between the mainly Sadducee Jerusalemites and the mainly Zealot factions of the Northern Revolt under the command of John of Giscala and Eleazar ben Simon became evident. With Edomites entering the city and fighting on the side of the Zealots, Ananus ben Ananus was killed and his forces suffered severe casualties. Simon Bar Giora, commanding 15,000 troops, was then invited into Jerusalem by the Sadducee leaders to stand against the Zealots, and quickly took control over much of the city. Bitter infighting between factions of Bar Giora, John and Elazar followed through the year 69 CE