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The believing Galatians were turning back to the law for justification. Paul warned them that doing that makes Christ of no value to them in justification. But it is being argued in this thread that Christ does continue to be of value to them in justification despite their return to justification by the law. But the same people who say that then condemn believing law keepers in this forum to hell for their law keeping. That is why I'm asking the question...
Why is the Galatians justification by faith still able to save them, no matter what, despite the fact that they have added to it or replaced it with justification by law keeping, yet believing law keepers in this forum are condemned to hell for doing that?
Why is the Galatians justification by faith still able to save them, no matter what, despite the fact that they have added to it or replaced it with justification by law keeping, yet believing law keepers in this forum are condemned to hell for doing that?
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If I may interrupt here, you are not grasping what is be stated by @dcontroversal
Faith + plus anything has no power to save when preaching the Gospel to the unsaved... so when someone on this thread states that to be saved they must have faith "plus" to be saved then they are teaching a powerless/false gospel.
Now the Galatians were saved... they however, were mixing law with grace, this was not unsaving them, they should have known better, however they were messed up in their thinking.
"O foolish Galatians who has bewitched you."
Do you see the distinction ... how to be saved and then falling into error once saved.
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I guess because they believed first and then turned back to the law.
Remember in OSAS-land once you believe just once, it doesn't really matter what happens, God will chasten you, then if you continue on in sin God will take you out early. Which to me that sounds like a reward rather than a punishment, you get to have your cake and eat it too. Enjoy the world and sin and then God will take you out early and you get to enjoy heaven as well.
But of course I know, all the OSAS advocates would say that no true believer would enjoy the world and sin and they are being sanctified progressively and no true believer would do this nor that. I know I know, I have heard it all before. Whatever suits the situation.
Remember in OSAS-land once you believe just once, it doesn't really matter what happens, God will chasten you, then if you continue on in sin God will take you out early. Which to me that sounds like a reward rather than a punishment, you get to have your cake and eat it too. Enjoy the world and sin and then God will take you out early and you get to enjoy heaven as well.
But of course I know, all the OSAS advocates would say that no true believer would enjoy the world and sin and they are being sanctified progressively and no true believer would do this nor that. I know I know, I have heard it all before. Whatever suits the situation.
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if you hang around long enough. You will see most, if not all people who preach keeping the law end up believing in the end, they are justified by that law keeping.
Also. The law was a tutor to lead people to christ. Once we have come to christ, the law has done its job. So why are people going back to what has already been fulfilled?
the reality is, we should be serving and loving others. Not playing church by keeping traditions of the law which have no power to sanctify us, or help us to grow in christ.
Yet people do it, and think it makes them Godly
The law as a means of justification or sanctification is a bad thing. Keeping the late an not help a non believer become a child of God and it will not help a believer become a mature child of God. It will just keeps them in bondage, trying to fulfill something they can never fulfill.
Also. The law was a tutor to lead people to christ. Once we have come to christ, the law has done its job. So why are people going back to what has already been fulfilled?
the reality is, we should be serving and loving others. Not playing church by keeping traditions of the law which have no power to sanctify us, or help us to grow in christ.
Yet people do it, and think it makes them Godly
The law as a means of justification or sanctification is a bad thing. Keeping the late an not help a non believer become a child of God and it will not help a believer become a mature child of God. It will just keeps them in bondage, trying to fulfill something they can never fulfill.
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More importantly who is to say that the people here pushing sabbath obedience etc did not believe the right gospel in the past? Therefore they are just not experiencing God's grace but are still saved eternally.
This system is so odd and detached from the Scriptures and reality that all simple verses become a mess of explanations and that is why they have many pundits with doctorates help explain all those verses away. It becomes a game of guessing who is and who is not saved, were they really saved? Rebuking is mostly useless, because the only thing restored is fellowship and rewards, but no one is at risk of hellfire.
James 5:20
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
When confronted with verses like the above, we either get insulted, or the verse is "out of context" or twisted, or just plain ignored, or as is common in this thread, the stand up comedy acts are at play.I don't know why people are joking about serious issues like this.
This system is so odd and detached from the Scriptures and reality that all simple verses become a mess of explanations and that is why they have many pundits with doctorates help explain all those verses away. It becomes a game of guessing who is and who is not saved, were they really saved? Rebuking is mostly useless, because the only thing restored is fellowship and rewards, but no one is at risk of hellfire.
James 5:20
let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.
When confronted with verses like the above, we either get insulted, or the verse is "out of context" or twisted, or just plain ignored, or as is common in this thread, the stand up comedy acts are at play.I don't know why people are joking about serious issues like this.
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God does not find guilty those He has pronounced innocent.
Either Christ imputes His righteousness or He does not ...you cannot have it both ways.
Sin was dealt with at the cross.
And you had better be careful what you accuse us of.
Blaming the grace of God for sin is your perverted logic here....but you cannot see it can you?
Paul was not impressed and had some stern words of warning for them, dig deep into Romans and you will learn why your slander against grace is in fact the antithesis of the Gospel and why Paul made the statement below.
King James Bible Romans 3:8
And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
Either Christ imputes His righteousness or He does not ...you cannot have it both ways.
Sin was dealt with at the cross.
And you had better be careful what you accuse us of.
Blaming the grace of God for sin is your perverted logic here....but you cannot see it can you?
Paul was not impressed and had some stern words of warning for them, dig deep into Romans and you will learn why your slander against grace is in fact the antithesis of the Gospel and why Paul made the statement below.
King James Bible Romans 3:8
And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.
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Ironic because that Romans 3:8 verse describes perfectly the doctrine of "God will take you out early" if you keep on sinning 
It describes people like you who slander those who teach Grace saves completely.
You can't see it can you?
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Remember the good ol' days (lol) when once saved always saved meant that if did not continue in the faith it meant you were never really saved to begin with? Now once saved always saved means there is nothing you can believe or do that will cause God to remove his declaration of right standing with him from a person. You can even fall away and believe another gospel and you are still saved. ...Except if you are a believer arguing in this forum for the keeping of the law. That is the only exception to once saved always saved.
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Remember the good ol' days (lol) when once saved always saved meant that if did not continue in the faith it meant you were never really saved to begin with? Now once saved always saved means there is nothing you can believe or do that will cause God to remove his declaration of right standing with him from a person. You can even fall away and believe another gospel and you are still saved. Except if you are a believer arguing in this forum for the keeping of the law. That is the only exception to once saved always saved.
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Wrong
Once the judge has pronounced you innocent/justified because you believe/trusted in the debt being paid you cannot be found guilty again, the debt was paid on your behalf, you have accepted the payment, it is a done deal... and the debt cannot imputed back to you.
If you are declared innocent then you are innocent.
You preach an illogical gospel
Once the judge has pronounced you innocent/justified because you believe/trusted in the debt being paid you cannot be found guilty again, the debt was paid on your behalf, you have accepted the payment, it is a done deal... and the debt cannot imputed back to you.
If you are declared innocent then you are innocent.
You preach an illogical gospel
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1. In their words. In the end, what do they think is the means by which they will have eternal life.
2. As far as law keeping goes. Moses made the requirement that whoeve does not obey every word has failed to keep the law. Paul re-treated that requirement in Galactions. And james goes as far as to say if someone keeps ever word of the law yet stumbles i one point, he is guilty of the law, so who is really a law keeper? Has anyone other than Christ ever kept the law? And if not. Wjy are people saying they keep the law?
That should be the issue,, Don't you think?
2. As far as law keeping goes. Moses made the requirement that whoeve does not obey every word has failed to keep the law. Paul re-treated that requirement in Galactions. And james goes as far as to say if someone keeps ever word of the law yet stumbles i one point, he is guilty of the law, so who is really a law keeper? Has anyone other than Christ ever kept the law? And if not. Wjy are people saying they keep the law?
That should be the issue,, Don't you think?
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How about this
instead of pushing the sabbath, is t not better to push loving others, placing their needs above yoru own, and serving God.
Why do people feel they pushing the sabbath is so righteous? Do they think God will do somethign for them if they do that?
The question of are they saved or not should be far from the real issue, Only God knows that. the issue, why are you pushing some law. Instead of pushing what God wants us to do?
instead of pushing the sabbath, is t not better to push loving others, placing their needs above yoru own, and serving God.
Why do people feel they pushing the sabbath is so righteous? Do they think God will do somethign for them if they do that?
The question of are they saved or not should be far from the real issue, Only God knows that. the issue, why are you pushing some law. Instead of pushing what God wants us to do?
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