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Where I jumped it was correct....but yes most of the writing is about grace and law.
He is not stating you are in the new system and if you return to the old system that you will loose your justification.... you are reading that into the text.
They were saved and and they are not loosing there salvation by going back to the law.... when they go back to the law they are mixing law and grace... going back to a system of bondage.
Why do want to be like slaves that had not part in the inheritance... that is his point!
GALATIANS 5.1: "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."
He is not stating you are in the new system and if you return to the old system that you will loose your justification.... you are reading that into the text.
They were saved and and they are not loosing there salvation by going back to the law.... when they go back to the law they are mixing law and grace... going back to a system of bondage.
Why do want to be like slaves that had not part in the inheritance... that is his point!
GALATIANS 5.1: "Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage."
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Finland rocks Melach 
tomorrow is friday another sober weekend for me. anyone got any suggestions on what i should do?
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I hope when I get there my posts will be as colour coded and fanciful as yours.
Here it is in context.
Galatians 4:28-5:1-5 NAS
28And you brethren, like Isaac, are children of promise. 29But as at that time he who was born according to the flesh persecuted him who was born according to the Spirit, so it is now also.
30But what does the Scripture say?
“CAST OUT THE BONDWOMAN AND HER SON,
FOR THE SON OF THE BONDWOMAN SHALL NOT BE AN HEIR WITH THE SON OF THE FREE WOMAN.”
31So then, brethren, we are not children of a bondwoman, but of the free woman.
1It was for freedom that Christ set us free; therefore keep standing firm and do not be subject again to a yoke of slavery.
2Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you. 3And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. 4You have been severed from Christ, you who are seeking to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5For we through the Spirit, by faith, are waiting for the hope of righteousness.
The flow of thought is unbroken. You can't just pluck vs. 2 out of the passage and decide that Paul suddenly means sanctification in vs. 2 while he means justification before and after vs. 2.
The 'Christ will be of no benefit to you' in vs. 2 in context means Christ is no benefit to you for justification if you go back to the law for justification because that old covenant way of being born produces natural sons who are slaves, slaves who have no inheritance. Faith in Christ produces sons of promise, spiritual sons, who are free and who are in line for the inheritance, eternal life.
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I hope the and pray, the LORD will make me a small cabin at a bend in the river on the Crystal River, as it flows out back of the Throne of Grace. Yes there has to be Steelhead Trout in that RIVER.
It may look similar to this:
Did I ever tell you the true story about our first try to find a Bible Teaching Church, when we were going to a Lutheran Church, in Grand Island, NE. So we went to a Baptist Church just to try their style of teaching out. They had a guest Missionary teach the Sermon, about 35 minutes. As he went to close his sermon, he actually SAID: "The reason I serve the LORD, is because I want the biggest, fanciest mansion on the STREET OF GOLD. I do not want to get stuck we a little cabin out back on the Crystal River." My mouth feel open! As I looked around at the congregation, and NO ONE SEEMED SHOCKED BY HIS STATEMENT. Since when is GREED a reason to SERVE THE LORD? As we walked to the Car, I knew I would never be back, and said to my wife, "I do not care what he said, if the Lord wants to give me a small cabin on that River, I will take it. Because I just want to be there in heaven with the LORD!"
I really do miss my wife, she went to heaven to be with the LORD, on 2 Nov., 2015, after a heart attack in Recovery Center.
I wish I could remember those conversations with you. Now I have no idea how many of those kind of posts with others, are still gone.
It may look similar to this:
Did I ever tell you the true story about our first try to find a Bible Teaching Church, when we were going to a Lutheran Church, in Grand Island, NE. So we went to a Baptist Church just to try their style of teaching out. They had a guest Missionary teach the Sermon, about 35 minutes. As he went to close his sermon, he actually SAID: "The reason I serve the LORD, is because I want the biggest, fanciest mansion on the STREET OF GOLD. I do not want to get stuck we a little cabin out back on the Crystal River." My mouth feel open! As I looked around at the congregation, and NO ONE SEEMED SHOCKED BY HIS STATEMENT. Since when is GREED a reason to SERVE THE LORD? As we walked to the Car, I knew I would never be back, and said to my wife, "I do not care what he said, if the Lord wants to give me a small cabin on that River, I will take it. Because I just want to be there in heaven with the LORD!"
I really do miss my wife, she went to heaven to be with the LORD, on 2 Nov., 2015, after a heart attack in Recovery Center.
I wish I could remember those conversations with you. Now I have no idea how many of those kind of posts with others, are still gone.
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I hope the and pray, the LORD will make me a small cabin at a bend in the river on the Crystal River, as it flows out back of the Throne of Grace. Yes there has to be Steelhead Trout in that RIVER.
It may look similar to this:
Did I ever tell you the true story about our first try to find a Bible Teaching Church, when we were going to a Lutheran Church, in Grand Island, NE. So we went to a Baptist Church just to try their style of teaching out. They had a guest Missionary teach the Sermon, about 35 minutes. As he went to close his sermon, he actually SAID: "The reason I serve the LORD, is because I want the biggest, fanciest mansion on the STREET OF GOLD. I do not want to get stuck we a little cabin out back on the Crystal River." My mouth feel open! As I looked around at the congregation, and NO ONE SEEMED SHOCKED BY HIS STATEMENT. Since when is GREED a reason to SERVE THE LORD? As we walked to the Car, I knew I would never be back, and said to my wife, "I do not care what he said, if the Lord wants to give me a small cabin on that River, I will take it. Because I just want to be there in heaven with the LORD!"
I really do miss my wife, she went to heaven to be with the LORD, on 2 Nov., 2015, after a heart attack in Recovery Center.
I wish I could remember those conversations with you. Now I have no idea how many of those kind of posts with others, are still gone.
It may look similar to this:
Did I ever tell you the true story about our first try to find a Bible Teaching Church, when we were going to a Lutheran Church, in Grand Island, NE. So we went to a Baptist Church just to try their style of teaching out. They had a guest Missionary teach the Sermon, about 35 minutes. As he went to close his sermon, he actually SAID: "The reason I serve the LORD, is because I want the biggest, fanciest mansion on the STREET OF GOLD. I do not want to get stuck we a little cabin out back on the Crystal River." My mouth feel open! As I looked around at the congregation, and NO ONE SEEMED SHOCKED BY HIS STATEMENT. Since when is GREED a reason to SERVE THE LORD? As we walked to the Car, I knew I would never be back, and said to my wife, "I do not care what he said, if the Lord wants to give me a small cabin on that River, I will take it. Because I just want to be there in heaven with the LORD!"
I really do miss my wife, she went to heaven to be with the LORD, on 2 Nov., 2015, after a heart attack in Recovery Center.
I wish I could remember those conversations with you. Now I have no idea how many of those kind of posts with others, are still gone.
If the Lord wants to give you a small cabin on that River who's to say any different. I'm with you there brother.
Sorry about the wife, but you and I know, you will see her there with Jesus, and all this time here will seem to have been but a moment once we get there.
No worries about our past conversations, we are right back on track today and that's fine with me. As far as other friends you had before those tough days, and the conversations you had with them. I'm sure they feel the same way.
You're alright in my book brother, and I'm glad to have my old friend back.
Talking with you here really made my day and gives me one more thing to be thankful to God in Christ Jesus for.
Glad to have you back friend
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I don't recall hearing about that. Thanks for sharing that experience and by the way, I don't blame you for walking out of that place.
If the Lord wants to give you a small cabin on that River who's to say any different. I'm with you there brother.
Sorry about the wife, but you and I know, you will see her there with Jesus, and all this time here will seem to have been but a moment once we get there.
No worries about our past conversations, we are right back on track today and that's fine with me. As far as other friends you had before those tough days, and the conversations you had with them. I'm sure they feel the same way.
You're alright in my book brother, and I'm glad to have my old friend back.
Talking with you here really made my day and gives me one more thing to be thankful to God in Christ Jesus for.
Glad to have you back friend
If the Lord wants to give you a small cabin on that River who's to say any different. I'm with you there brother.
Sorry about the wife, but you and I know, you will see her there with Jesus, and all this time here will seem to have been but a moment once we get there.
No worries about our past conversations, we are right back on track today and that's fine with me. As far as other friends you had before those tough days, and the conversations you had with them. I'm sure they feel the same way.
You're alright in my book brother, and I'm glad to have my old friend back.
Talking with you here really made my day and gives me one more thing to be thankful to God in Christ Jesus for.
Glad to have you back friend
SAME HERE! I also found a slight typo in the Post about the Baptist Missionary from Africa. My mouth FELL open. I was totally shocked that GREED was the only reason he served on the Mission field. I think he will have a big shock in store for him, even if he is saved, which I doubt, but that wood will be burned up in the fire that tests our works, to see if they are worthy of a heavenly reward. Had he said it at the beginning of his Sermon, I would have immediately walked out.
Yes my wife and I were Married for over 36 years, and I am thank for that. Glad you were patient enough with me to try to stir my memory.
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Spend time in the scripture and prayer.
Go for two long walks one in the morning and one in the evening and in between get in the kitchen and cook all your meals for the week.
And if you still have time bake a nice cake.
Go for two long walks one in the morning and one in the evening and in between get in the kitchen and cook all your meals for the week.
And if you still have time bake a nice cake.
im that kind of guy i cant cook. in my family we are very traditional when it comes for that. its actually a joke from my grandfather side his father said to his wife and they were present: "you know i have never in my life broken any dishes..." and his wife answered "its cause you've never washed the dishes" hahaha sounds like movie but its true story.
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when i got baptized they first made me wait many weeks and make me attend church for some time, they also wanted to hear my testimony on the pulpet. thats very unbiblical. st.peter baptized all those people right away no church attendance time. also the ethiopian eunuch got baptized right away just asked "do you believe in Jesus?" he say yes, well whats preventing us from baptizing this man lets go.
baptism and believe are done in same sequence in bible.
baptism and believe are done in same sequence in bible.
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Well you don't know what you missing... cooking, trying new recipes, baking so much fun.
Okay then you need to get involved in volunteer work.
I will admit is has been a few years since I did that but it is very rewarding.... soup kitchens, nursing homes, hospitals the are so many places.
I volunteered at a nursing home once, serving drinks at a cash bar, they would come over and tell me their life story and it was just so much fun and they need people to talk to.
So important in life to stretch yourself and do new things otherwise you will become isolated and drink.
Okay then you need to get involved in volunteer work.
I will admit is has been a few years since I did that but it is very rewarding.... soup kitchens, nursing homes, hospitals the are so many places.
I volunteered at a nursing home once, serving drinks at a cash bar
, they would come over and tell me their life story and it was just so much fun and they need people to talk to.So important in life to stretch yourself and do new things otherwise you will become isolated and drink.
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They are justified, fait accompli..............it is not a process.... that is my point and if Paul is telling them to stand fast in their liberty then he speaking to the resulting effect of justification.
I stand by my point, we cannot live out our positional sanctification unless we are living in the liberty the Christ gives us.
The two are connected.
I stand by my point, we cannot live out our positional sanctification unless we are living in the liberty the Christ gives us.
The two are connected.
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I already answered this question....it goes to the root...the people you cite have believed into a mixed gospel of faith PLUS <--THIS, THESE gospels do not have the power to save because they have been corrupted by the additions and embellishments beyind faith!
This came about due to the words of John the Dipper....Many churches follow this pattern...John told the people to bring forth fruit worthy of repentance before he would immerse them......just a point to ponder my friend and brother!
This came about due to the words of John the Dipper....Many churches follow this pattern...John told the people to bring forth fruit worthy of repentance before he would immerse them......just a point to ponder my friend and brother!
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Correct.
Justification is not a process.
Either you are, or you aren't.
The context is not about the process of growing in sanctification.
The context is about what can and can't justify a person.
Galatians 5:2 NAS
2Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you."
Circumcision for justification causes Christ to be of no benefit to you in justification. You are either trusting in Christ for a declaration of righteousness, or you are trusting in works of the law for justification. They are mutually exclusive. The one negates the other. This is not about circumcision/works of the law making it so Christ is no benefit to you in growing in sanctification.
Justification is not a process.
Either you are, or you aren't.
The context is not about the process of growing in sanctification.
The context is about what can and can't justify a person.
Galatians 5:2 NAS
2Behold I, Paul, say to you that if you receive circumcision, Christ will be of no benefit to you."
Circumcision for justification causes Christ to be of no benefit to you in justification. You are either trusting in Christ for a declaration of righteousness, or you are trusting in works of the law for justification. They are mutually exclusive. The one negates the other. This is not about circumcision/works of the law making it so Christ is no benefit to you in growing in sanctification.
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