Should wine be used for the Lord's Supper?

Grape juice is not plainly unscriptural as you claim, since it is “the fruit of the vine” (Matt 26:29) and the product of the crushing of grapes. God looks at the heart, unlike you who looks down your nose. The lack of fermentation does not disqualify it from being the fruit of the vine. "The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

Here's the deal:

Drinking a small amount of wine produces a bit of a warm feeling. Grape juice doesn't produce this effect.

Besides, if you are using one verse to support a practice, when there are many more verses that refer to wine, then isn't that being disingenuous?

Additionally, I believe we have formed our practices based on tradition rather than the word of God.

It isn't a big deal to me, but was Passover observed with wine, according to the vast preponderance of passages, or not?

"Fruit of the vine" does not exclude wine. However, wine excludes simple grape juice.

Grape juice is not plainly unscriptural as you claim, since it is “the fruit of the vine” (Matt 26:29) and the product of the crushing of grapes. God looks at the heart, unlike you who looks down your nose. The lack of fermentation does not disqualify it from being the fruit of the vine. "The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

Should wine be used for the LORD's Supper?

I think so.

It's plain from Scripture that wine was used for communion, yet it is common practice in the USA for most Protestants to use a substitute such as grape juice.

I think this is a remnant of the Holiness movement.

Other excuses are used, such as the fear that alcoholics will relapse if they drink the small amount of wine in the communion thimble, but is this realistic? I am sure churches would provide a substitute if there was this concern, for those individuals.

What do you think?

And, what rationale do you use for this plainly unbiblical practice?

By the way, one individual from the Seventh Day Adventists told me it was blasphemous to acknowledge that Jesus created real alcohol, and drank alcohol in a similar conversation.

Didn’t this get it’s legs around the time of prohibition?

But fruit of the vine was not Welch’s grape juice but wine. And yes, every communion I’ve been blessed to partake of has used, yep, you guessed it, Welch’s grape juice.

I'd have to be a biblical illiterate to claim the norm wasn't wine, because, in fact, some were getting drunk at the Lord's table.

Besides that, apparently a full meal was involved. And a common cup.

So, that's another issue.

I've been a part of one church that accompanied communion with a full meal.

I guess in our mass production, assembly line society that's what passes for communion though.

I gave a verse to show that God's ways are not man's ways. There are multiple verses to support that view which you wish to pretend do not exist while promoting the fact that wine produces a bit of a warm feeling which has nothing to do with partaking of the Lord's supper.

My position is that communion has overtones concerning union with Christ, and the slight alcohol creates a social environment which is reminiscent of this.

I don't believe that the amount of alcohol was just a thimble anyways.

God uses various ordinances like this to engage the senses and to preach the gospel through sensory means.

I know it's difficult for mass production, assembly line Christians to comprehend the original intentions, but I believe there was a reason behind the use of a small amount of alcohol at the LORD's supper.

the way 1 Corinthians 11 reads, to me, a wednesday-night-fellowship-pot-luck-supper is a lot closer to what's being described than the common, ritualized tiny bite of cracker and sip of ((whatever)) ceremony.
have said this for quite a long time - but i don't refuse to take part.

Its crazy I was just talking about this topic with sister Angela in PM! Ask Angela if you dont believe me!

My answer: YES it should be, and I agree we are going with baptist traditions here rather than what the Church has HISTORICALLY done.

In short the points that I made for wine are:
- Jews have always and still do enjoy WINE during Pesach
-The Church has always done it historically until yesterday when they changed it, going along with the prohibition era etc.
-Melchizedek which serves as a PICTURE and TYPE of Christ brought forth WINE and BREAD, not grape juice and bread. And yes the word is WINE in the hebrew not JUICE. Go check it out if y'all dont believe me.

The reason was when you consume a drink of wine you feel the warmth. Its symbolic of the blood of Christ. POWERFUL to save.

The evidence I provided above should be a SEALED DEAL already. I aint dumb enough to think churches are gonna change it though, its probably gonna end up being coca cola and baguettes one of these days WHO KNOWS whats coming down the pipe in 2019.

OH YEAH btw before anyone says it: I AM NOT ROMAN CATHOLIC, never have been. Im an independent BAPTIST and my Church does the juice gimmick as well, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

Grape juice is not plainly unscriptural as you claim, since it is “the fruit of the vine” (Matt 26:29) and the product of the crushing of grapes. God looks at the heart, unlike you who looks down your nose. The lack of fermentation does not disqualify it from being the fruit of the vine. "The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

I'd have to be a biblical illiterate to claim the norm wasn't wine, because, in fact, some were getting drunk at the Lord's table.

Grape juice is not plainly unscriptural as you claim, since it is “the fruit of the vine” (Matt 26:29) and the product of the crushing of grapes. God looks at the heart, unlike you who looks down your nose. The lack of fermentation does not disqualify it from being the fruit of the vine. "The LORD does not look at the things people look at. People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart."

The reason was when you consume a drink of wine you feel the warmth. Its symbolic of the blood of Christ. POWERFUL to save.

The evidence I provided above should be a SEALED DEAL already. I aint dumb enough to think churches are gonna change it though, its probably gonna end up being coca cola and baguettes one of these days WHO KNOWS whats coming down the pipe in 2019.

OH YEAH btw before anyone says it: I AM NOT ROMAN CATHOLIC, never have been. Im an independent BAPTIST and my Church does the juice gimmick as well, IT IS WHAT IT IS.

I think it should be a full glass, and accompanied by a fellowship meal.