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John146 · Oct 15, 2019

Acts 2
30 Therefore being a prophet, and knowing that God had sworn with an oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the flesh, he would raise up Christ to sit on his throne;

31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

garee · Oct 15, 2019

Dino246 said:

I am aware with what some say. They are saying he was not merely a man but a man and God as if we could serve two masters (what the eyes see and what the things of faith the unseen eternal reveal) .

When the Son of man in respect to his corrupted flesh was called good.. . he gave glory to the unseen father saying one not two are good God not man . he refused to stand in the holy unseen place of the father.

God is not a man as us clearly not merly. He is eternal God like no other.

I might be corrupting your opinion. The word Son of God is the Holy Spirit of God. Its is there .It was a theophany .literal flesh and blood must be used as a one time outward demonstration of the unseen work in order to put away sin in the flesh. Something the letter of the law (the killer) could not do .

He was not made like unto the Son of man abiding a priest continually. ( 2 Corinthians 5:16) Now you see him now you do not. He is simply not a man as us .

Without father, without mother, without descent, having neither beginning of days, nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of God; (Spirit) abideth a priest continually.

We walk by faith the useen eternal. (2 Corinthians 4:18 20/20 vision) It is revealed by that seen the temporal. its does not become that seen(never)

.No faith needed for those who hope the kingdom does come looking after what the eyes see

That would be something the unbelieving Jews (no faith) sought after .Treating Jesus like a circus seal do something we can see and then we will believe.

John 4:48 Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.. . . . . ( No faith)

Sign gift seekers. Signand gift are not used together to form a doctrine . Spiritual gifts not seen, yes

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

garee · Oct 15, 2019

John146 said:

Exactly the corruption was put on hold for three days to show us the work of the Spirit had nothing to do with flesh. . the temporal things seen. Some attribute the flesh as having the power as if there was such a thing as holiness of corrupted flesh .

No power after the flesh

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name

He put Hezekiah flesh on hold for 15 years. he also made shadows go backward. or kept the Sun shining for 24 hours.

Isaiah 38:5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

John146 · Oct 15, 2019

garee said:

Exactly the corruption was put on hold for three days to show us the work of the Spirit had nothing to do with flesh. . the temporal things seen. Some attribute the flesh as having the power as if there was such a thing as holiness of corrupted flesh .

No power after the flesh

Romans 1:3-5 King James Version (KJV) Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead: By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name

He put Hezekiah flesh on hold for 15 years. he also made shadows go backward. or kept the Sun shining for 24 hours.

Isaiah 38:5 Go, and say to Hezekiah, Thus saith the Lord, the God of David thy father, I have heard thy prayer, I have seen thy tears: behold, I will add unto thy days fifteen years.

What do you do with 1 Timothy 2:5?

garee · Oct 15, 2019

John146 said:

garee · Oct 15, 2019

John146 said:

I would think mediator in respect to salvation. The Father in the greater position seeing the work is reckoned by two.

But as we are informed in Job 9. God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly infallible mediator set between God and man as a umpire between the two. The Kings James calls that a daysman . The Catholics call it a Pope.

When it came to master (Rabbi) teacher. The Son of man Jesus refused to stand in the holy place as the unseen glory of the father. (The abomination of desolation)

Good is the invisable finger print of God not seen. "Let there be. . and it was good" 6 times very good the last.

Matthew 19:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

I would offer Mathew 23 builds on that doctrine .As peter sits in the supposed seat of Peter (seat of infallibility according to them). The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. Repeating the same principle (Matthew 19:16-18)

Matthew 23 King James Version (KJV) Then spake Jesus to the multitude, and to his disciples, Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat: All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not. For they bind heavy burdens and grievous to be borne, and lay them on men's shoulders; but they themselves will not move them with one of their fingers. But all their works they do for to be seen of men: they make broad their phylacteries, and enlarge the borders of their garments, And love the uppermost rooms at feasts, and the chief seats in the synagogues, And greetings in the markets, and to be called of men, Rabbi, Rabbi.But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven. Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.

Dino246 · Oct 15, 2019

garee said:

Your ignorance of basic theology is disturbing.

garee said:

Again, dead wrong. Jesus did not have corrupted flesh, and He did not refuse to be called “good”. Rather, He asked, “Why do you call Me good?” There is a massive difference.

garee said:

Apparently you don’t understand the terminology.

garee said:

Jesus in the flesh is no mere theophany.

garee said:

That’s about Melchizidek, not Jesus. If you understood how to read verses in their context you would make fewer errors.

garee said:

You have a continuing and irrelevant obsession with sign gifts.

reneweddaybyday · Oct 15, 2019

garee said:

I know you keep wanting to bypass and not address the Lamb of God and His coming in the flesh ... but you cannot get away from this foundational issue.

Without shedding of blood there is no remission. You cannot get around the fact that the Lord Jesus Christ was the Lamb of God, without blemish and without spot, foreordained before the foundation of the world:

1 Peter 1:

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

If, as you keep insisting, Jesus' flesh was corrupt, His sacrifice was without merit because He would not be a lamb without blemish and without spot … and His offering Himself would be considered an abomination to God.

garee said:

You need to understand the that which is seen in order the fully comprehend the that which is not seen and quit spiritizing everything. If the Lord Jesus Christ did not need to come in the flesh, He would not have come.

It appears to me that you consider the physical aspect of what Jesus did as somehow mundane and/or not needed.

However, when Adam sinned, all of mankind was under bondage to him who had the power of death (the devil – Heb 2:14).

Mankind was in need of redemption. The Lord Jesus Christ, as our kinsman Redeemer, redeemed us. He purchased us with His own blood.

The right of redemption belonged to the nearest kinsman. If Jesus Christ had not come in the flesh, He would not have qualified to fulfill the office of the kinsman Redeemer.

And before you dismiss this truth why don't you open your Bible and learn about this fantastic reality. The Lord Jesus Christ purchased mankind back from the bondage of sin and death held by the wicked one, the devil.

garee said:

2 Corinthians 4:

17 For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory;

18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

The things which are seen in vs 18 are the light afflictions, which is but for a moment we read about in vs 17. These light afflictions are temporary and we only endure these afflictions in this lifetime.

The things which are not seen in vs 18 is the far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory we read about in vs 17. The exceeding and eternal glory is accomplished as we endure the light afflictions which last but for a moment.

To change the truth of 2 Cor 4:7-18 into support for your assertion that there is some sort of deficiency in considering the life lived out by the Lord Jesus Christ in His earthly ministry is a complete and utter misinterpretation of Scripture.

garee said:

Here is what God considers an abomination: Thou shalt not sacrifice unto the LORD thy God any bullock, or sheep, wherein is blemish, or any evilfavouredness: for that is an abomination unto the LORD thy God (Deut 17:1).

Inasmuch as Christ's offering Himself to God and God having accepted His offering, we can conclude that Jesus did not have "corrupted flesh" as you continue to claim.

garee said:

I have already explained this verse to you. You continue to misinterpret the verse in order to prop up a doctrine not contained in Scripture.

garee said:

I explained 2 Cor 4:18 to you above in this post.

Rom 1:19-23 tells us why the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men … those who suppress the truth in unrighteousness.

garee said:

The Lord Jesus Christ is the Lamb of God, without blemish and without spot, foreordained before the foundation of the world:

1 Peter 1:

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

Everything concerning the Lord Jesus Christ ... His birth, life, crucifixion, resurrection, ascension was according to the eternal purpose of God (Eph 3:11)

garee said:

Then why do you continue to believe and declare that Jesus' flesh was corrupted?

Dino246 · Oct 15, 2019

garee said:

The Father is greater than us mere humans. The man Jesus Christ (God incarnate) is the mediator between the Father and us. Job didn't use the words "fleshly" or "infallible". Those are your erroneous additions to Scripture. Here is the verse, unadulterated:

Job 9:33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

This verse is NOT talking about Jesus Christ, and what the Catholics call it is absolutely irrelevant to this discussion.

garee said:

Jesus DID NOT "refuse to stand in the holy place". Jesus NEVER declared, "I am not good" or anything of the sort. Rather, He questioned the man who called Him good. You have badly misinterpreted and misrepresented this verse, which has nothing whatsoever to do with the abomination of desolation.

Jesus IS God. That's what you seem to miss in all this.

garee · Oct 15, 2019

Hi Dino

Your erroneous subtractions to Scripture.

Two attributes of one God. Loving authority plus willing submissiveness .The peace of God .It surpasses all human understanding. . We have his understanding that he works in us.The father is a assigned a greater position than the Son . Not a greater person .God is one Spirit.

it would seem to be irrelevant to those who subtract from all things written in the law and the prophets.

For he is not a man, as I am, that I should answer him, and we should come together in judgment. Neither is there any daysman (POPE) betwixt us, that might lay his (POPE) hand upon us both . ( God is not a man seen) Job 9:32-33

Daysman an umpire or arbiter or judge ( Job 9:33 ). This word is formed from the Latin diem dicere, i.e., to fix a day for hearing a cause. Such an one (POPE) is empowered by mutual consent to decide the cause, and to "lay his (POPE) hand", i.e., to impose his (POPE) authority, on both, and enforce his sentence. (POPE)

Jesus as the Son of man refused to stand in the Holy unseen place of the father. . an abomination of desolation .When called Master a equitant of the Pope .He gave glory to the unseen father and said one is good.. God . God is not a man as us.

Matthew 19:16-18 King James Version (KJV) And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? (POPE) there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

Dino246 · Oct 15, 2019

garee said:

I am ignoring the rest of your post until you justify your slander. Step up like a man, Garee, and defend your words with evidence.

Or withdraw it, with an apology.

reneweddaybyday · Oct 15, 2019

garee said:

The verse does not say "we have His understanding that He works in us". The verse says we have the peace of God which passes all understanding ...

Philippians 4:7 And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

... and the peace of God guards our hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

garee said:

The word is not "formed from the Latin diem dicere".

The word "daysman" in Job 9:33 is the Hebrew word yakach.

garee · Oct 16, 2019

Dino246 said:

You accuse me of adding without any evidence. I provided the evidence that you are ignoring.

God is fully God like no other. God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly infallible Rabbi, Master as a infallible interpreter with permission from God and man .. The Son of man when approached as a daysman said; Why call me seen good, only one is good, God not seen . We walk/understand by the unseen understanding that works in us just as it worked in the Son of man, Jesus. Yet he alone was without sin

The Son of man would never stand in the Holy place unseen place of faith.It is exclusively set aside as holy unto the father .

The father is in a greater position not a greater person .God is one.

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me .John 6;45

The Jews turned that upside down making it who ever comes to man seen. . needs no faith coming from the father. . . Do us a trick perform a miracle and when we see it then we will believe...

Same Motive of Operation in the garden . Look and believe.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Did the Son of man, Jesus say to the father you made me not? Or was it His goal as food to do the will of the father not seen and finished it?

Which teaching master? The things of men seen, or those of God not seen? Can't serve two.

garee · Oct 16, 2019

It does not surpass his understanding as that which he freely gives to us. Just ours without his.

The verse says we have the peace of God which passes all understanding. Where do you think that understanding comes from? … Not verbatim but clearly teaches according to his understanding . . .The peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.

If he does not work His understanding in us by faith .Then where does the power to understand that we have in these earthen bodies of death come from ?

2 Corinthians 4:7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

Thanks...The meaning is the same . Its the unseen faith principle .We do not look to the things seen .Like Popes.... to decide. We seek the approval of Him not seen called . . . walking by faith.

PennEd · Oct 16, 2019

garee said:

You accuse me of adding without any evidence. I provided the evidence that you are ignoring.

God is fully God like no other. God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly infallible Rabbi, Master as a infallible interpreter with permission from God and man .. The Son of man when approached as a daysman said; Why call me seen good, only one is good, God not seen . We walk/understand by the unseen understanding that works in us just as it worked in the Son of man, Jesus. Yet he alone was without sin

The Son of man would never stand in the Holy place unseen place of faith.It is exclusively set aside as holy unto the father .

The father is in a greater position not a greater person .God is one.

It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me .John 6;45

The Jews turned that upside down making it who ever comes to man seen. . needs no faith coming from the father. . . Do us a trick perform a miracle and when we see it then we will believe...

Same Motive of Operation in the garden . Look and believe.

Isaiah 29:16 Surely your turning of things upside down shall be esteemed as the potter's clay: for shall the work say of him that made it, He made me not? or shall the thing framed say of him that framed it, He had no understanding?

Did the Son of man, Jesus say to the father you made me not? Or was it His goal as food to do the will of the father not seen and finished it?

Which teaching master? The things of men seen, or those of God not seen? Can't serve two.

You have danced next to the edge for a while now, and seem to have fallen over. Most of what you say I unconsciously say in a Yoda voice, as it is difficult to unravel, like Yoda's speech sometimes.

BUT, you are really blaspheming Jesus. Are you a Trinity denier? Jesus was trying to get the rich young ruler to see that He was IN FACT Emanuel, God with us. THAT was why He WAS Good. He wasn't differentiating Himself from the Father!

garee · Oct 16, 2019

PennEd said:

If showing where the unseen glory of God comes from differentiating Himself from the Father in that way . . then I would agree!

LOL...Yoda's voice. . fallen angel ? To short for that.

I would offer. Of course there is a difference between the temporal things seen and the eternal not seen. Our invisible God who is not a man as us has given us the 20/20 prescription in order to rightly divide the various parables. . . hiding the unseen gospel understanding from natural man.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:2 Corinthians 4:18

God is not made up of the things made. That would be those who do not apply the 20/20 prescription (2 Corinthians 4:18)

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.2 Corinthians 4:18

Trinity denier?

Blaspheming the Son of man, Jesus would be what Peter preformed as demonstrated in Mathew 16 . Peter was hoping the things seen had a greater authority than the invisible eternal things of God not seen. He was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of Man ,Jesus (the temporal) .Blasphemy against the father, the eternal not seen, could never be forgiven.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

I would think we must be careful how we hear .Therefore rightly dividing between the things of men, the temporal. . . and those of God, the eternal not seen.

PennEd · Oct 16, 2019

garee said:

If showing where the unseen glory of God comes from differentiating Himself from the Father in that way . . then I would agree!

LOL...Yoda's voice. . fallen angel ? To short for that.

I would offer. Of course there is a difference between the temporal things seen and the eternal not seen. Our invisible God who is not a man as us has given us the 20/20 prescription in order to rightly divide the various parables. . . hiding the unseen gospel understanding from natural man.

2 Corinthians 4:18 While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:2 Corinthians 4:18

God is not made up of the things made. That would be those who do not apply the 20/20 prescription (2 Corinthians 4:18)

And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.2 Corinthians 4:18

Trinity denier?

Blaspheming the Son of man, Jesus would be what Peter preformed as demonstrated in Mathew 16 . Peter was hoping the things seen had a greater authority than the invisible eternal things of God not seen. He was forgiven of his blasphemy against the Son of Man ,Jesus (the temporal) .Blasphemy against the father, the eternal not seen, could never be forgiven.

Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.Mathew 16:22-23

I would think we must be careful how we hear .Therefore rightly dividing between the things of men, the temporal. . . and those of God, the eternal not seen.

Did God Himself, become a human being, in the Form of His Son, Jesus Christ?

A very brief YES OR NO will do!

Dino246 · Oct 16, 2019

garee said:

I DID provide clear evidence; you ignored it. Here are your words: "But as we are informed in Job 9. God is not a man as us and neither is there a fleshly infallible mediator set between God and man as a umpire between the two."

Here are my words: "Job didn't use the words "fleshly" or "infallible". Those are your erroneous additions to Scripture. Here is the verse, unadulterated:"

Job 9:33 Neither is there any daysman betwixt us, that might lay his hand upon us both.

YOU added the words, "fleshly" and "infallible" as though they were in the text. They aren't.

garee said:

I see no evidence at all to support your accusation of me. Show the evidence where I have subtracted from Scripture, or withdraw the accusation.

Dino246 · Oct 16, 2019

PennEd said:

Good luck with that.

garee · Oct 16, 2019

I would think you offered your opinions. No evidence to support it.

I did not add them my opinion defines a Daysman.

Still waiting for you to show me these addition that you desire to take away ?

Where are the verses that would support your idea that a daysman is not reckoned as a fleshly infallible mediator that decides between the things of God , and those of men. . deciding who has the right interpretation as good Master? One is our Master not seen . One is our Holy father, the infallible teacher.

Jesus refused to stand in the holy place reserved for the father .He said God alone is good. (when someone accused him of being the good one.) The Pope proudly fulfils that place as a abomination of desolation.

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