Not By Works

@dcontroversal

If you don’t produce an instance proving I contradict myself, it says to me that you can’t because it’s not there 🤪

Just making stuff up on the fly

Ps. To all concerned. I did not attack DC. I am responding to his attack that I contradict myself. When I wasn’t even speaking to him

The point being, God in his grace is calling everyone. They think God called just them and that is simply not true. John 3:16.

Yes, atheists do resist the call of our gracious God to repent and believe.

Show one contradiction.

You won’t because you’re just saying that because you have no argument against what I said.

The power of salvation is not in our faith, but in the one we believe. My six year old grandson knows this.

Only God has the power to raise us to new life. Your faith doesn’t do it. Your faith only serves as a instrumental means by which God saves you.

if you think me saying you contradict yourself is an attack you have severe problems pal....

Faith saved because of Grace.....contradict away!!

Jesus saves even the vilest sinner.

Point in case above...another contradiction.....faith saves because of grace......!!

Already have....every time I have engage you is because of a contradiction or error.....

No contradiction at all. Faith does not save due to grace. God saves by Grace when we believe. That is to say, THOUGH FAITH

Mac, we are saved by faith through God's grace. So technically, it IS "due to grace" that we are saved.

Mac, we are saved by faith through God's grace. So technically, it IS "due to grace" that we are saved.

Very good. That rope (faith) would not be useful or helpful to us in getting out of the well, unless there was someone standing up at the top of the well at least holding it or tying it down. (and in God's case) actually pulling us out

Even the demons believe in Jesus. But they're beyond being saved, and they're beyond being given grace.

God will only "pull us out" IF we WANT to be pulled out. He won't force us to climb out of the well, if we'd rather wallow there.

Jesus saves even the vilest sinner.

I never said otherwise. What I did say was that our faith was not the effectual power that saved us.

The guy at the top of the well was the effectual cause. No matter how we try, we could not climb out of the well unless HE DREW US OUT. We could grab the rope until our hands bled, but unless the guy at the top drew us out, it would profit NOTHING.

That makes God the effectual cause, not our faith

I am pressing this because of the perils of teaching DECISIONAL REGENERATION.

Like I asked, how much power and energy did our faith add to God's power in regenerating us? NONE.

Not one erg. NO NOT ONE, NO NOT ONE.

There's not a friend like the lowly Jesus, No not one, no not one.

Here is an excerpt from an independant fundamental baptist preacher. I’m on cell, so I’ll have to give link later

John R Rice.

“Some sinner will say ‘but I thought I must have a change of heart’”. So you must...but that is Gods part. And you may be sure that He will attend to that. Your part is simply to believe in Him, whatever else is necessary to your eternal salvation, THE LORD ATTENDS TO WHEN YOU TRUST Him

John R Rice

The part that is Gods part and that you cannot attend to but God must, that brother Rice was speaking of includes regeneration. 🙂

That is why I said we provide zero power or energy to our regeneration. It is done 100 percent by God when we trust Him

I believe it is GRACE from beginning to end. The whole thing, including faith, is a work of Grace. Faith is entirely secondary to God's grace.

Saved (from the well)

by Grace (the action of the guy letting down the rope)

through faith (the rope being the instrument that the guy at the top of the well used to save the other guy)

Did the rope save or the guy holding the rope or the guy taking the rope?

I say it was the guy on the top holding, and in God's case, pulling on the rope.

It's absurd for anyone to disagree with that. Honestly. I can't believe we (DC and I) are debating something so obvious

When I say Decisional regeneration, I mean the tendency to "make a decision", (often no more than an act of the intellect and human will) like saying a prayer, or walking down an aisle, or to a baptistry, as the way of salvation, instead of heart faith that is the result of the Power of the Holy Spirit.

Preach the Gospel, God will draw, people will come.

We don't need to use human reason or gimmicks to get people to come to Christ.

Ey teach, that’s how i teach 😂

Hey, I hadn't seen you around, so I looked at your profile, and you live in the same town that I lived in for more than 20 years. From age 12-bout 32. That's pretty cool.

I used to live walking distance from the bay/marina.