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No contradiction at all. Faith does not save due to grace. God saves by Grace when we believe. That is to say, THOUGH FAITH
Saved (from the well)
by Grace (the action of the guy letting down the rope)
through faith (the rope being the instrument that the guy at the well used to save the other guy)
HELLO!!!
You awake yet, dude?
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My eye is getting tired winking at you through the computer screen
You see, but do not observe.
Saved (from the well)
by Grace (the action of the guy letting down the rope)
through faith (the rope being the instrument that the guy at the well used to save the other guy)
HELLO!!!
You awake yet, dude?.
My eye is getting tired winking at you through the computer screenYou see, but do not observe.
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Saved (from the well)
by Grace (the action of the guy letting down the rope)
through faith (the rope being the instrument that the guy at the top of the well used to save the other guy)
Actually, hey, I take it back. It was a fairly good analogy the poster used before.
HELLO!!!
You awake yet, dude?Try climbing up the rope without the guy being at the top.
Mac, we are saved by faith through God's grace. So technically, it IS "due to grace" that we are saved.
That rope (faith) would not be useful or helpful to us in getting out of the well, unless there was someone standing up at the top of the well at least holding it or tying it down. (and in God's case) actually pulling us outJohn R Rice.“Some sinner will say ‘but I thought I must have a change of heart’”. So you must...but that is Gods part. And you may be sure that He will attend to that. Your part is simply to believe in Him, whatever else is necessary to your eternal salvation, THE LORD ATTENDS TO WHEN YOU TRUST Him
I found this today, and it sums up my position that I have held since I got here. This is the bare essense of what I have been saying. But some want to call this a works salvation teaching.
Mac, we are saved by faith through God's grace. So technically, it IS "due to grace" that we are saved.
Saved (from the well)
by Grace (the action of the guy letting down the rope)
through faith (the rope being the instrument that the guy at the top of the well used to save the other guy)
Did the rope save or the guy holding the rope or the guy taking the rope?
I say it was the guy on the top holding, and in God's case, pulling on the rope.
It's absurd for anyone to disagree with that. Honestly. I can't believe we (DC and I) are debating something so obvious
Very good. That rope (faith) would not be useful or helpful to us in getting out of the well, unless there was someone standing up at the top of the well at least holding it or tying it down. (and in God's case) actually pulling us out
That rope (faith) would not be useful or helpful to us in getting out of the well, unless there was someone standing up at the top of the well at least holding it or tying it down. (and in God's case) actually pulling us out
Even the demons believe in Jesus. But they're beyond being saved, and they're beyond being given grace.
God will only "pull us out" IF we WANT to be pulled out. He won't force us to climb out of the well, if we'd rather wallow there.
I never said otherwise. What I did say was that our faith was not the effectual power that saved us.
The guy at the top of the well was the effectual cause. No matter how we try, we could not climb out of the well unless HE DREW US OUT. We could grab the rope until our hands bled, but unless the guy at the top drew us out, it would profit NOTHING.
That makes God the effectual cause, not our faith
I am pressing this because of the perils of teaching DECISIONAL REGENERATION.
Like I asked, how much power and energy did our faith add to God's power in regenerating us? NONE.
Not one erg. NO NOT ONE, NO NOT ONE.
There's not a friend like the lowly Jesus, No not one, no not one.
The guy at the top of the well was the effectual cause. No matter how we try, we could not climb out of the well unless HE DREW US OUT. We could grab the rope until our hands bled, but unless the guy at the top drew us out, it would profit NOTHING.
That makes God the effectual cause, not our faith
I am pressing this because of the perils of teaching DECISIONAL REGENERATION.
Like I asked, how much power and energy did our faith add to God's power in regenerating us? NONE.
Not one erg. NO NOT ONE, NO NOT ONE.
There's not a friend like the lowly Jesus, No not one, no not one.
I never said otherwise. What I did say was that our faith was not the effectual power that saved us.
The guy at the top of the well was the effectual cause. No matter how we try, we could not climb out of the well unless HE DREW US OUT. We could grab the rope until our hands bled, but unless the guy at the top drew us out, it would profit NOTHING.
That makes God the effectual cause, not our faith
I am pressing this because of the perils of teaching DECISIONAL REGENERATION.
Like I asked, how much power and energy did our faith add to God's power in regenerating us? NONE.
Not one erg. NO NOT ONE, NO NOT ONE.
There's not a friend like the lowly Jesus, No not one, no not one.
The guy at the top of the well was the effectual cause. No matter how we try, we could not climb out of the well unless HE DREW US OUT. We could grab the rope until our hands bled, but unless the guy at the top drew us out, it would profit NOTHING.
That makes God the effectual cause, not our faith
I am pressing this because of the perils of teaching DECISIONAL REGENERATION.
Like I asked, how much power and energy did our faith add to God's power in regenerating us? NONE.
Not one erg. NO NOT ONE, NO NOT ONE.
There's not a friend like the lowly Jesus, No not one, no not one.
Preach the Gospel, God will draw, people will come.
We don't need to use human reason or gimmicks to get people to come to Christ.
Faith is not merely an intellectual exercise, nor is it merely an act of the will. It involves mind, body, soul, spirit, and heart, and is effected only by the drawing power of God. Regeneration is not baptism, not a creed, not a decision to turn over a new leaf, not a profession of faith, not saying a prayer, doesn't happen via baptism, is not produced by human will, it is entirely a work of God, the New Birth when someone believes, which itself is a gift of God.
Hey, I hadn't seen you around, so I looked at your profile, and you live in the same town (CV) that I lived in off and on for more than 20 years. From age 12-to about age 32. That's pretty cool.I used to live walking distance from the bay/marina.
I rededicated my life to God in Spring Valley in 1988
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