Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

I'm not trying to put anyone under the Law, but I do know that the Holy Spirit writes the Laws upon our hearts for a reason and that is not so we can say I am no longer responsible for keeping any of them!

If that were so then we wouldn't need the Holy Spirit to achieve that, That is the case before!!

Passage please

..........who I guess you're saying is "not the creator"?

No but what your doing is really no different is it not?

Nor am I, And i have told you this how many times, yet you still think otherwise.

The HS not only writes those laws. He teaches us HOW to obey them.

What seperates our belief is what this power that causes us to obey them are.

Where is this going!?

Yahweh was, and is the god of the Jews. They deserted the I AM for other god's, but He never deserted them. They still need to return to the true God and Jesus is patiently waiting.

Do a Bible search on Molec, I spent months reading the four books of Kings and Chronicles and the rest of the Old Testament.

I feel like there was a specific verse that Jesus said He didn't come to destroy the law...

Oh this one! Had to Bible gateway it haha.

Matthew 5:16-18 New King James Version (NKJV)

16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and glorify your Father in heaven.

Christ Fulfills the Law

17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I did not come to destroy but to fulfill.

18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one [a]jot or one [b]tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

I'm thinking that means we can't fulfill all the law ourselves, but through the righteousness of Christ it is filled...?? Like we need to try and obey His commandments as best we can, but if we DO sin we have Christ who redeems us. That make sense at all? XDDD

I don't remember Moses going up MT Sinai with the Law written on stone and God scratching off laws.

The law is based on the 10 commandments. All the rest of the laws written by Moses were how people were to follow these 10 commandments.

So, if you choose a law out of the 10 commandments that you really like and want to work at, then you have placed yourself under all the law of Moses, not just your favorite one out of the 10 commandments.

The law of Moses wasn't "extra" laws that could be disregarded at the whim of whoever decided to follow it.

When you chop up Moses law into sections and decide some are fulfilled and some aren't then you make a mockery of Christianity and Judaism at the same time, following neither.

That is the choice that Paul tries so hard to teach the legalists and judaizers. Choose either Judaism or choose Christianity but don't try to do both because its not possible.

Galatians 3:10-12
10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.


Is it really possible that legalists and judaizers DON'T understand these simple passages?

Correct. Not the pre-incarnate Jesus

Exodus 35.

And yet you still cannot find a verse that supports what you said prior? You repeatedly fail to do that. Why? If you've committed to such study, why would you then say > The Priests banged drums and blew trumpets to hide the babies screams. These various gods were the devil in different forms, worshipped by the Jews. They were doing this in the Valley of Himmon (not sure of the spelling) while Jesus was giving the Sermon on the Mount.

And not prove it with scripture.

Is it written on your heart to stone to death anyone who breaks the sabbath?

Is this Zion?

Its kind of tricky talking about this without offending people.

But you pretty much seem to have the gist of it.

The 'need to try and obey His commandments the best we can' part is kind of tough to define. But I guess there is as much truth to that statement as there could be error if taken the wrong way.

I would say there is more need to abide in Christ and let Him Produce the Fruit in our lives than us worry about which commandments we should be working the best we can at.... But it amounts to pretty much the same thing if you look at it from the right angle... I think...

I take it PS is also saying Moses was lying, so that scripture is lying...?

Exodus 35:1 specifically mentions YHWH as being the origin of that command. LORD not just 'Lord'

Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

Philipians 1:6 Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
Philipians 1:7 Even as it is meet for me to think this of you all, because I have you in my heart; inasmuch as both in my bonds, and in the defence and confirmation of the gospel, ye all are partakers of my grace.
Philipians 1:8 For God is my record, how greatly I long after you all in the bowels of Jesus Christ.
Philipians 1:9 And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
Philipians 1:10 That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ.
Philipians 1:11 Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.




We never do fear the law. We never bring up being "under the law", We are always under grace yet follow the law. Love, life and forgivenss. No perfection required. Not under a curse. Walking in the Spirit. No bondage to sin, with a light yoke. The law refining and keeping the lusts of the flesh out of our walk.


Romans 8:2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.



I am hoping that "confessing sins" and asking for forgiveness is just another way of saying "repent" and ask forgiveness. I would imagine each is about acknowledging our sin.....................

I'm starting to think about it...

Find it. Do a Bible search, google it, I'm not your servant and it is my bed time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moloch

I don't either. Who ever said he did? Let's go stone that scarecrow, you and I. I'll gather the stones.

Incorrect. The laws given for the ministration of blood (levitical rites; sacrifices, etc) had nothing to do with obeying the commandments. They had to do with justification/cleansing.

Is the living God sovereign? Is he allowed to add to or take away from the things he commands his people to obey?

If that's the case as you've said it then let both be mocked. The Almighty and his Son didn't create man-made religions. They created "The Way" to have a true relationship with them through the Holy Spirit.

Absolutely not. What??

Sorry Grandpa but no. Please don't mischaracterise Paul's message like this.

"Do not stray to the right or to the left."

"Straight is the way and narrow is the gate that leads to life and very few find it."

Once again, Justification/cleansing = restoring a person after sin.

That's the context.

Perhaps. But its also possible they may understand the law much better than heathens and the lawless do.

I mean yeah there's arguing about the law now etc etc...but there's no disagreement as to who gave it at the mount, I thought.