Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?

Greetings Y,

Well said, and such an important point to undo the confusion on. Paul only spoke of our relationship to the law! Nevar against the Law or it disregard! If a man is led by the Spirit - meaning obedient! what is the law to him? Nothing, because it applies to the wicked! BUT, the wicked or those who are not led by the Spirit to live in obedience they are under the Law as the Law is there for their sakes to convict them and fdrive them to conviction and repentance. But those who keep sinning and avoid the Law, they never repent and will in the end be judged for unrepentant sin!

Making my way back through this thread (and I may have covered this ^ subject with you before, I cannot recall, as a few Members kinda look alike ... so forgive me if I have)

… I believe "sons of God" (both here and in Job 1) are referring to "humans [/men]"... and also same in Gen6.
In the Job 38 passage, I don't believe the "humans/men" being spoken of there, were literally present then and there, but this would pertain to the distinctions (elsewhere) in the phrases "BEFORE [pro] the foundation of the world" and "FROM [apo] the foundation of the world" (which, as I mentioned, refer to distinct things, distinct persons, where found).

And yes, I believe (after having studied it at length) that the Job 1 setting was "on the earth" (not "up in Heaven"); and that there are THREE (main) options as to what people typically say this phrase pertains to: 1) "angels," or 2) "men/humans," or 3) "kings/rulers" [<--or something like that] (the latter TWO options cover the "men/humans" option, of course).

I don't think you can do those I think those are covered in Matt 5, but apparently things like stirring up strife, calling names, being contentious, along with hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, and things like that seem to be ok much of the time


But
fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance
against such there is no law.

(Which would seem to mean there is a law against the ones above those. But no law, what is to stop you??? nothing, and check it out, nothing does, sometimes it feels like you are debating with an adversary instead of a brother in Christ)

Once again, Please tell me any post number where I said the law lead to salvation? Hopefully you will give me a post number or an apology, as any decent Christian would do.

meaning obedient! what is the law to him? Nothing

just duck, dodge, and deflect. it's all you judeaizers do, because your false theology would fall apart quickly if you actually engaged and answered questions, which, of course, you won't.

it's the only way to prop up your Hebrew roots nonsense.

It's a quote from scripture.

Do you think scripture is strawmen, slippery slopes and confusion?

The law is the power of sin.
The law is not of faith.
The law is not made for the righteous.

These are things the Bible says, and we need to deal with them to understand what it is that God writes in the heart of His children when He remembers their sin no more.

Paul is not under the law but he is not lawless. What does that mean?

if 'noob believers' don't know how to deal with this, then this is something they need to be taught to deal with - not be taught to sidestep or ignore.

We all need to learn to ask and to find answers to hard questions.

Is the power of sin written in our hearts?
What's illegitimate about asking that?
Exactly what law is written in the heart of a believer, such that Paul is not under law, yet not lawless?
What is the difference between 'the law' and 'the law of Christ' in 1 Corinthians 9? Which one of these does Jeremiah prophesy of, or is it another?

God requires perfection.

As moses said obey every word. Otherwise you are cursed.

Paul confirmed this in gal 3

James said it this way, if you keep the whole law. Yet stumble in even one point, your guilty of all.

Grace teaches us to focus on forgiveness and loving others. Not trying to obey some law we can not keep.

Thats all he knows how to do.

Until he responds to my original question. I will just let him ramble.

No? YOUR god requires PERFECTION!
My God, requires I "stick to the agreement/s"
Or, perhaps you have forgotten?
The Sabbath (aka LAW) was made FOR man!
NOT "Man FOR the LAW!"
This LEAVES plenty of room FOR God's Grace!
Of the which? Many trample on! Thus frustrating His Grace!
Tis little wonder the why God sent strong delusion upon those who would frustrate His grace, so they would believe a lie!
Because? They have EARNED IT!
"Reaping what they have sown" comes to mind.

Here are some of the 613 Mitzvot Laws. They do not comply with either the Ten Commandments or the teaching of Jesus.

487 Save someone being pursued even by taking the life of the pursuer — Deut. 25:12

488 Not to pity the pursuer — Num. 35:12

545 The courts must carry out the death penalty of stoning — Deut. 22:24

546 The courts must carry out the death penalty of burning — Lev. 20:14

547 The courts must carry out the death penalty of the sword — Ex. 21:20

548 The courts must carry out the death penalty of strangulation — Lev. 20:10

549 The courts must hang those stoned for blasphemy or idolatry — Deut. 21:22

550 Bury the executed on the day they are killed — Deut. 21:23

555 The court must not kill anybody on circumstantial evidence — Ex. 23:7

Your right mine does

Your god goes back on his word. Does not keep his own promises. Waters down his own law. Requires blood sacrifice for sin, but then will forgive apart from blood sacrifice.

But hey, Go ahead. Believe in a that God.

Me? I will believe in the God who stands by what he says, and keeps his promises.

I felt the 3 years Paul spent in Arabia was more interesting.

Your funny!! (Not!)

oh, you are not directly saying that, you are saying that the Law was divided into parts ( you have been shown it's not), with the part of the Law with the commands from Sinai still in effect.

you then say that Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial Laws, and when one comes to faith in Him, then the Holy Sprit will direct the person to keep the Commands, thereby saying that a true believer will be proving ( same as earning ) salvation by doing such.


total lie. the Sprit will lead you to manifest the Fruits of the Sprit, one of which is not Sabbath.

so, no apology will be coming. i know what you and the other judeaizers are saying, and will continue to stand against your lies.

Meanwhile, I provided a full post on the Post's...post. Did you read that? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? I noticed you never actually answered my question to you regarding the covenants. It was originally directed to you, but I figured you didn't know. What purpose does it serve to antagonize when you're in a worse position?

Have you ever noticed that what ever you start being accused of, is exactly what is being done to you? Is there a word for that?

Do we have animal sacrifice any more, or any type of blood sacrifice? No, because The Lamb of God fulfilled all blood sacrifices.
Jesus rent the veil to the Holy of Holies, No more need for priest to speak to God for us. Jesus is our High Priest.
Jesus became our "Sabbath" or rest. We rest in Christ everyday, not some specific day.

You should look up what the "Fruits of the Spirit" are so you can try to emulate some of them as they are not coming through on their own, leaving me with some very real questions, not about your knowledge though I always find myself confused when trying to converse with you, which I am not thinking is so weird anymore, about why all this goes on.

Why you can not separate the Gifts from God with doing the Works of God, I do not know, but the only result I see is to get everyone to quit spreading the truth. Certainly, if no one is out there doing any works it is not being spread. That has to be DONE, which is an ACT or DEED or WORK by word of mouth. But the way you ramble on constantly you get everyone to question everything they do for God as if trying to buy Him because you have no clue as to how we can work from love, and what that is all about apparently. At least that is what it has done to me in the few short months I have been here. I HAD NEVER QUESTIONED THAT GIFT IN MY LIFE. It was as natural as breathing, thanking God for the faith bestowed upon my and the pure and simple joy I received from feeling His love with no guilt. You have me questioning, let me rephrase, YOU HAD me questioning, whether the things I was doing WAS for my salvation. WOW. THANK GOD I am not a baby Christian because the way you put forth the love of God is 'DO NOTHING FOR HIM" OR else you are just trying to by Him.

So, it has not been nice. It has not been productive. It has not been loving or peaceful or kind. I have received no "truth" from you. Do let us follow the advice of our Lord and Saviors message and take our leave of each other so we do not cause each other to sin. Unless you don't sin, then I take my leave so you do not become a stumbling block and cause me to sin, because I am a sinner and a repenting daily child of God and as such have been told to leave confusion alone. Respectfully DA

Meanwhile, I provided a full post on the Post's...post. Did you read that? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? I noticed you never actually answered my question to you regarding the covenants. It was originally directed to you, but I figured you didn't know. What purpose does it serve to antagonize when you're in a worse position?

No? YOUR god requires PERFECTION!
My God, requires I "stick to the agreement/s"
Or, perhaps you have forgotten?
The Sabbath (aka LAW) was made FOR man!
NOT "Man FOR the LAW!"
This LEAVES plenty of room FOR God's Grace!
Of the which? Many trample on! Thus frustrating His Grace!
Tis little wonder the why God sent strong delusion upon those who would frustrate His grace, so they would believe a lie!
Because? They have EARNED IT!
"Reaping what they have sown" comes to mind.