Did Jesus ever tell us that we no longer need to keep the law of Moses?
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Making my way back through this thread (and I may have covered this ^ subject with you before, I cannot recall, as a few Members kinda look alike 
... so forgive me if I have)
… I believe "sons of God" (both here and in Job 1) are referring to "humans [/men]"... and also same in Gen6.
In the Job 38 passage, I don't believe the "humans/men" being spoken of there, were literally present then and there, but this would pertain to the distinctions (elsewhere) in the phrases "BEFORE [pro] the foundation of the world" and "FROM [apo] the foundation of the world" (which, as I mentioned, refer to distinct things, distinct persons, where found).
And yes, I believe (after having studied it at length) that the Job 1 setting was "on the earth" (not "up in Heaven"); and that there are THREE (main) options as to what people typically say this phrase pertains to: 1) "angels," or 2) "men/humans," or 3) "kings/rulers" [<--or something like that] (the latter TWO options cover the "men/humans" option, of course).
... so forgive me if I have)… I believe "sons of God" (both here and in Job 1) are referring to "humans [/men]"... and also same in Gen6.
In the Job 38 passage, I don't believe the "humans/men" being spoken of there, were literally present then and there, but this would pertain to the distinctions (elsewhere) in the phrases "BEFORE [pro] the foundation of the world" and "FROM [apo] the foundation of the world" (which, as I mentioned, refer to distinct things, distinct persons, where found).
And yes, I believe (after having studied it at length) that the Job 1 setting was "on the earth" (not "up in Heaven"); and that there are THREE (main) options as to what people typically say this phrase pertains to: 1) "angels," or 2) "men/humans," or 3) "kings/rulers" [<--or something like that] (the latter TWO options cover the "men/humans" option, of course).
That being said? Your "taking in" of this "raw data", with these "multiple choices" (it could mean this! or? it could mean that!), doesn't give many people, at least me, if you are saying "Yea, yea, or nay, nay" as it pertains to every posting I have had the most unfortunate opportunities, in "muddling through." In whichever "thread" you participate in. To the point, that I scarcely read your posts any longer.
People like myself, and I imagine, I'm not alone, are "looking for a flow of thought", and/or a direction of "where are you heading with this?" "what is he saying?" Unless of course, it is the desire at a certain level, and/or depth of vanity, that obtains a "certain" satisfaction, of giving the readers of your posts that "glassy eyed" effect.
Doesn't mean you've won the point, or the argument, by any means. Or? You have! For the enemies of our God, and Father of Jesus Christ.
I am hoping you may take this correction, in the spirit of love, in which it was given.
Now! In replying to your reply?
Job 1
6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
7 And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
You really believe that this setting took place on earth?
Seems rather obvious this is taking place somewhere?
Yes!
Earth?
No!
This is different from the "setting" in:
Job 38
Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said, (etc.)
Which definitely took place on earth!
Because, in many instances?
We are!
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oh, you are not directly saying that, you are saying that the Law was divided into parts ( you have been shown it's not), with the part of the Law with the commands from Sinai still in effect.
you then say that Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial Laws, and when one comes to faith in Him, then the Holy Sprit will direct the person to keep the Commands, thereby saying that a true believer will be proving ( same as earning ) salvation by doing such.
total lie. the Sprit will lead you to manifest the Fruits of the Sprit, one of which is not Sabbath.
so, no apology will be coming. i know what you and the other judeaizers are saying, and will continue to stand against your lies.
you then say that Jesus fulfilled the ceremonial Laws, and when one comes to faith in Him, then the Holy Sprit will direct the person to keep the Commands, thereby saying that a true believer will be proving ( same as earning ) salvation by doing such.
total lie. the Sprit will lead you to manifest the Fruits of the Sprit, one of which is not Sabbath.
so, no apology will be coming. i know what you and the other judeaizers are saying, and will continue to stand against your lies.
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Meanwhile, I provided a full post on the Post's...post. Did you read that? Or are you just jumping on the bandwagon? I noticed you never actually answered my question to you regarding the covenants. It was originally directed to you, but I figured you didn't know. What purpose does it serve to antagonize when you're in a worse position?
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I answered these questions in a full post that you keep ignoring. My last two longest posts have been to you and you didn't reply to them at all.
Like Peter says, anyone ignorant and unstable in the scriptures can twist Paul's words to their own destruction.
You're being destroyed right now by a misunderstanding you've been taught regarding Paul's words.
Like Peter says, anyone ignorant and unstable in the scriptures can twist Paul's words to their own destruction.
You're being destroyed right now by a misunderstanding you've been taught regarding Paul's words.
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No? YOUR god requires PERFECTION!
My God, requires I "stick to the agreement/s"
Or, perhaps you have forgotten?
The Sabbath (aka LAW) was made FOR man!
NOT "Man FOR the LAW!"
This LEAVES plenty of room FOR God's Grace!
Of the which? Many trample on! Thus frustrating His Grace!
Tis little wonder the why God sent strong delusion upon those who would frustrate His grace, so they would believe a lie!
Because? They have EARNED IT!
"Reaping what they have sown" comes to mind.
My God, requires I "stick to the agreement/s"
Or, perhaps you have forgotten?
The Sabbath (aka LAW) was made FOR man!
NOT "Man FOR the LAW!"
This LEAVES plenty of room FOR God's Grace!
Of the which? Many trample on! Thus frustrating His Grace!
Tis little wonder the why God sent strong delusion upon those who would frustrate His grace, so they would believe a lie!
Because? They have EARNED IT!
"Reaping what they have sown" comes to mind.
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Your right mine does
Your god goes back on his word. Does not keep his own promises. Waters down his own law. Requires blood sacrifice for sin, but then will forgive apart from blood sacrifice.
But hey, Go ahead. Believe in a that God.
Me? I will believe in the God who stands by what he says, and keeps his promises.
Your god goes back on his word. Does not keep his own promises. Waters down his own law. Requires blood sacrifice for sin, but then will forgive apart from blood sacrifice.
But hey, Go ahead. Believe in a that God.
Me? I will believe in the God who stands by what he says, and keeps his promises.
Yes, it was really interesting! But, .... why didn't Paul go to Jerusalem right after his conversion?
If Paul were to preach the exact same Gospel the Lord preached on Earth, he would have gone to Jerusalem in order to learn about it from the eyewitnesses. But his gospel was different. Here is another proof of it:
Jesus said:
it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
and
Sell that ye have and give alms.
Paul said:
I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.
and (to Timothy):
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.
If Paul were to preach the exact same Gospel the Lord preached on Earth, he would have gone to Jerusalem in order to learn about it from the eyewitnesses. But his gospel was different. Here is another proof of it:
Jesus said:
it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for someone who is rich to enter the kingdom of God
and
Sell that ye have and give alms.
Paul said:
I know what it is to be in need, and I know what it is to have plenty. I have learned the secret of being content in any and every situation, whether well fed or hungry, whether living in plenty or in want.
and (to Timothy):
Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment.
Do we have animal sacrifice any more, or any type of blood sacrifice? No, because The Lamb of God fulfilled all blood sacrifices.
Jesus rent the veil to the Holy of Holies, No more need for priest to speak to God for us. Jesus is our High Priest.
Jesus became our "Sabbath" or rest. We rest in Christ everyday, not some specific day.
You should look up what the "Fruits of the Spirit" are so you can try to emulate some of them as they are not coming through on their own, leaving me with some very real questions, not about your knowledge though I always find myself confused when trying to converse with you, which I am not thinking is so weird anymore, about why all this goes on.
Why you can not separate the Gifts from God with doing the Works of God, I do not know, but the only result I see is to get everyone to quit spreading the truth. Certainly, if no one is out there doing any works it is not being spread. That has to be DONE, which is an ACT or DEED or WORK by word of mouth. But the way you ramble on constantly you get everyone to question everything they do for God as if trying to buy Him because you have no clue as to how we can work from love, and what that is all about apparently. At least that is what it has done to me in the few short months I have been here. I HAD NEVER QUESTIONED THAT GIFT IN MY LIFE. It was as natural as breathing, thanking God for the faith bestowed upon my and the pure and simple joy I received from feeling His love with no guilt. You have me questioning, let me rephrase, YOU HAD me questioning, whether the things I was doing WAS for my salvation. WOW. THANK GOD I am not a baby Christian because the way you put forth the love of God is 'DO NOTHING FOR HIM" OR else you are just trying to by Him.
So, it has not been nice. It has not been productive. It has not been loving or peaceful or kind. I have received no "truth" from you. Do let us follow the advice of our Lord and Saviors message and take our leave of each other so we do not cause each other to sin. Unless you don't sin, then I take my leave so you do not become a stumbling block and cause me to sin, because I am a sinner and a repenting daily child of God and as such have been told to leave confusion alone. Respectfully DA
Jesus rent the veil to the Holy of Holies, No more need for priest to speak to God for us. Jesus is our High Priest.
Jesus became our "Sabbath" or rest. We rest in Christ everyday, not some specific day.
You should look up what the "Fruits of the Spirit" are so you can try to emulate some of them as they are not coming through on their own, leaving me with some very real questions, not about your knowledge though I always find myself confused when trying to converse with you, which I am not thinking is so weird anymore, about why all this goes on.
Why you can not separate the Gifts from God with doing the Works of God, I do not know, but the only result I see is to get everyone to quit spreading the truth. Certainly, if no one is out there doing any works it is not being spread. That has to be DONE, which is an ACT or DEED or WORK by word of mouth. But the way you ramble on constantly you get everyone to question everything they do for God as if trying to buy Him because you have no clue as to how we can work from love, and what that is all about apparently. At least that is what it has done to me in the few short months I have been here. I HAD NEVER QUESTIONED THAT GIFT IN MY LIFE. It was as natural as breathing, thanking God for the faith bestowed upon my and the pure and simple joy I received from feeling His love with no guilt. You have me questioning, let me rephrase, YOU HAD me questioning, whether the things I was doing WAS for my salvation. WOW. THANK GOD I am not a baby Christian because the way you put forth the love of God is 'DO NOTHING FOR HIM" OR else you are just trying to by Him.
So, it has not been nice. It has not been productive. It has not been loving or peaceful or kind. I have received no "truth" from you. Do let us follow the advice of our Lord and Saviors message and take our leave of each other so we do not cause each other to sin. Unless you don't sin, then I take my leave so you do not become a stumbling block and cause me to sin, because I am a sinner and a repenting daily child of God and as such have been told to leave confusion alone. Respectfully DA
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well, since you have been asked by others to answer questions, maybe you should answer those ( straight answers), then I will answer yours.
I am not going to give you a pivot point to keep dodging them.
I will say this- if you think there is a renewed Covenant , then I will not go into that.
I do not have time to speak about things that do not exist.
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I would give you a "winner" but the only "icon" that comes up on this computer is the "thumbs up" can't wait to receive the power jack for my computer and put this one back in storage. Don't you just hate that little 'g' and little 'c'. Drives me insane. (I admit, not to hard to do)
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