Discernment in visions and dreams

Hi Danja,

Have you had any clarity re your original question for discernment in dreams?

Please clearly explain the distinction as you see it, and please give biblical evidence clearly supporting your position. No bafflegab, no dodging, just a plain and clear response.


That's not what the Scripture says. You're adding to the word of God... again.


Once we agree on what Acts 10 tells us, then we can discuss modern-day speaking in tongues.


The Bible says nothing of "metaphorical signs" regarding tongues.


Yawn. That's what you are doing because you reject plain Scripture.


Which is EXACTLY what happened to Cornelius.


I deny that tongues is prophecy because the Scripture distinguishes tongues from prophecy.


See my closing comment below...


This is no evidence to support your assertion.


Despite us discussing this topic for several months, you don't seem to have a freaking clue what I believe on this subject. I despise your ignorant mockery. You have no excuse.

hi Ruby ,
I had to repent and ask forgiveness for some stuff and close some doors .I can still have visions and dreams from the enemy though but i think they are much less .I apply the blood of Jesus over them every time i nap or sleep at night .I am also taking classes on hearing the voice of God .

I just stumbled in here looking for the topic but something struck me and I'd like some clarification if you would

What do you mean one thing cannot mean two distinct opposing things?

You mean tongues being prophecy to a believer and a sign to a non-believer? because I see opposing messages to them that believe not and them that do all over the NT. Like the pharisees interaction with Jesus or End times events and what the people in the world make of them etc.

Or is this argument predicated on whether or not tongues is prophetic? Sorry for jumping in randomly...it just seems somewhat out of place but I am also not very well versed in the topic.

I've heard "tongues" all my life growing up in Pentecostal churches but it has always confused me. It feels like the Lord but I'm not sure.

I've heard some people say it's other languages as per the initial outpouring and Peter's message but also private prayer language as well as prophetic words of encouragement and edification. So I get somewhat confused and have moved away from charismatic understandings, because it's hard to tell. I used to do it myself around 16-18 and then just stopped when I went to college. I didn't hear a whiff of it at the "christian" university I went to. Plenty of other things that I do appreciate but not tongues...so my personal experience and what the word says...I'm open to it, just that there seems to be a false version. I'm just not sure how he feels about it.

I'm on the fence about what prophecy is in general in the modern world. I've had things spoken over me...but thinking back I still don't get stuff like that, regardless of whether or not it seems to come true. Same thing with dreams. There are different sources of these things and so I treat some people with skepticism and some with due consideration.

Not sure, I just feel like mostly tongues is other languages, word of edification, and private prayer. Whereas prophecy is something different. Is it possible they could intersect at times in some people's minds? I suppose

Hello everyone.

I have a question concerning dreams and visions. Very often i have visions and dreams but I am new when it comes to discerning where they come from , God, evil or myself.
My question is , does anyone of you know how to discern dreams and visions .
For example today i had a vision of a shadow flying and then for many minutes when i was lying in my bed i felt a cooling air around my body . It was very weird but i had peace .
I want to hear from God but I don’t want to be deceived as i know evil can come as an angel of light.
I would appreciate your wisdom .
God bless you

Visions and dreams are not a part of God's plan now that the Bible is complete. They ceased when the Book of Revelation was completed. Please don't discard this reproof out of hand, hear me out and consider what God's word, our only true standard, has to say on the matter.

That all revelatory gifts have ceased is crucial to understand at this point, because Jesus warned that the end of the age would be marked by false prophets and lying signs and wonders.

The early church was different, it was overseen by principled men who literally walked with Jesus. Any dream or vision was subject to their knowledge of the Old Testament scriptures and their first-hand, personal knowledge of the Lord, Himself.

Visions and dreams were only available because the New Testament wasn't completely put to paper. And they were always connected to the Old Testament scriptures to help new believers (Jew and Gentile alike) to understand the New Covenant through the Old Testaments types and shadows of Christ. The early church leaders were well-versed in the Old Testament scriptures. Their foundation was firm. This is why Jesus used them to breath out the New Testament scriptures.

The ceasing of the revelatory gifts had to be, because of the subjectivity of experience. The scriptures are not subjective, but objective. Of course, they need to be rightly handled to be understood, but that's not impossible for one who loves the truth.

But since revelatory experiences are subjective and not objective, meaning you cannot really know if it's from God or the devil, Jesus made it wonderfully simple at the end now when we are currently being overwhelmed by false prophets, lying signs, and bogus wonders. Don't believe any of it!

Trust God's word, and understand that it is God's word that explains God's word. If you want to understand one part of scripture, keep reading. God will explain it elsewhere. Just like He did through this teaching about the revelatory gifts ceasing. I have no doubt God still works miracles and heals people, but if the ones who claim to be doing the miracles and healings are pushing the revelatory gifts you know they're not following Jesus. They are under a delusion because they don't love the truth (God's word is truth). They prefer subjective nonsense over objective truth:

Visions and dreams are not a part of God's plan now that the Bible is complete. They ceased when the Book of Revelation was completed. Please don't discard this reproof out of hand, hear me out and consider what God's word, our only true standard, has to say on the matter.

That all revelatory gifts have ceased is crucial to understand at this point, because Jesus warned that the end of the age would be marked by false prophets and lying signs and wonders.

The early church was different, it was overseen by principled men who literally walked with Jesus. Any dream or vision was subject to their knowledge of the Old Testament scriptures and their first-hand, personal knowledge of the Lord, Himself.

Visions and dreams were only available because the New Testament wasn't completely put to paper. And they were always connected to the Old Testament scriptures to help new believers (Jew and Gentile alike) to understand the New Covenant through the Old Testaments types and shadows of Christ. The early church leaders were well-versed in the Old Testament scriptures. Their foundation was firm. This is why Jesus used them to breath out the New Testament scriptures.

The ceasing of the revelatory gifts had to be, because of the subjectivity of experience. The scriptures are not subjective, but objective. Of course, they need to be rightly handled to be understood, but that's not impossible for one who loves the truth.

But since revelatory experiences are subjective and not objective, meaning you cannot really know if it's from God or the devil, Jesus made it wonderfully simple at the end now when we are currently being overwhelmed by false prophets, lying signs, and bogus wonders. Don't believe any of it!

Trust God's word, and understand that it is God's word that explains God's word. If you want to understand one part of scripture, keep reading. God will explain it elsewhere. Just like He did through this teaching about the revelatory gifts ceasing. I have no doubt God still works miracles and heals people, but if the ones who claim to be doing the miracles and healings are pushing the revelatory gifts you know they're not following Jesus. They are under a delusion because they don't love the truth (God's word is truth). They prefer subjective nonsense over objective truth:.

Visions and dreams are not a part of God's plan now that the Bible is complete. They ceased when the Book of Revelation was completed. Please don't discard this reproof out of hand, hear me out and consider what God's word, our only true standard, has to say on the matter.

That all revelatory gifts have ceased is crucial to understand at this point, because Jesus warned that the end of the age would be marked by false prophets and lying signs and wonders.

The early church was different, it was overseen by principled men who literally walked with Jesus. Any dream or vision was subject to their knowledge of the Old Testament scriptures and their first-hand, personal knowledge of the Lord, Himself.

Visions and dreams were only available because the New Testament wasn't completely put to paper. And they were always connected to the Old Testament scriptures to help new believers (Jew and Gentile alike) to understand the New Covenant through the Old Testaments types and shadows of Christ. The early church leaders were well-versed in the Old Testament scriptures. Their foundation was firm. This is why Jesus used them to breath out the New Testament scriptures.

The ceasing of the revelatory gifts had to be, because of the subjectivity of experience. The scriptures are not subjective, but objective. Of course, they need to be rightly handled to be understood, but that's not impossible for one who loves the truth.

But since revelatory experiences are subjective and not objective, meaning you cannot really know if it's from God or the devil, Jesus made it wonderfully simple at the end now when we are currently being overwhelmed by false prophets, lying signs, and bogus wonders. Don't believe any of it!

Trust God's word, and understand that it is God's word that explains God's word. If you want to understand one part of scripture, keep reading. God will explain it elsewhere. Just like He did through this teaching about the revelatory gifts ceasing. I have no doubt God still works miracles and heals people, but if the ones who claim to be doing the miracles and healings are pushing the revelatory gifts you know they're not following Jesus. They are under a delusion because they don't love the truth (God's word is truth). They prefer subjective nonsense over objective truth:

Sola scriptola.
All there is is a book.
No Spirit
No gifts
No miracles
No Jesus

....just a book

Yes be careful on how we hear... I would agree God is no longer brining any new revelation after any manner to include tongues. .

A warning not to add or subtract from the whole sealed with seven seals till the end of time is left with a promised curse. That he would send a strong delusion to those so they would continue to believe the lie..of self edification after some unseen wonderment

But I would not say spiritual unseen gifts have ceased. When we declare existing prophecy by the Spirit of Christ it does not come from a outdated source of faith .It remains the constant. Getting the gospel out prophesying prophecy as a spiritual gift working in us will continue till the last day

Its with the idea of "sign gifts" that looks to make the warning in Revelation 22 without effect. No such thing a "sign gift" as that seen. The two words are not used together any where in the Bible to create something that is not there. a unknown tongue...

Sign gifts.. . . . the Christians real nemesis...and not no spiritual gifts prophesying.

This includes baptism with water. Signs are designed for those who rebel in unbelief (no faith) . Prophecy God's word for those who believe therefore receiving the end of their new faith from the very beginning.

When did the idea of sign gifts enter the church?

Well, aren’t you a little serious bafflegabber...lol

Totally wrong too. Though I hold the Word in high regard, it’s just words without Spirit and life.

Put that in your bafflegabbing pipe and take a whiff. Lol

So sorry. I just love that word!