Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.

Yes, I am pre-trib... and though you and I may have some differences in our views (regarding this doctrine), I THINK we both agree that the passages stating "he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved" apply DURING the very specific, future, limited time period leading up to Christ's Second Coming to the earth (during the time period FOLLOWING our Rapture), and not like how Calvinists [etc] try to apply it to "this present age [singular]" (i.e. NOW), skewing its true application (and also its actual meaning), and, basically wreaking havoc... in the minds of those impacted by such [incorrect] teachings.

Also, I think perhaps you and I agree that Luke 21:36 is not a "Rapture" verse, but applies at the specific time period (like the above) FOLLOWING our Rapture (DURING the trib years):

Luke 21:36 -

Berean Literal Bible -
"Watch also at every season, praying that you may have strength to escape [(active) flee out of] all these things that are about to come to pass and to stand before the Son of Man."

King James Bible -
"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape [(active) flee out of] all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."


[the above verse, applying (as specific [and direct] "instruction") to those on the earth following our Rapture, DURING the tribulation period (7-yrs/70th-Wk) being completely DISTINCT from that which was stated to/for/about "the Church which is His body" (US), in 1Th5:9-10, "...Who died for us, [in order] that, whether we may watch [same Greek word as in v.6] OR whether we may sleep [same Grk word as in v.6 (NOT the Grk word used for "sleep/died" in chpt 4!)] we should live together WITH [G4862 ('UNIONED-with')] HIM"]


Do we see these several passages in the same way? Meaning especially the ones that pertain specifically to the future tribulation period (following our Rapture/Departure)… so that, those two [basically two] passages that are often misapplied to "this present age" actually pertain to a very specific limited future time period (following our Rapture).

Yep, I agree that Luke 21 is very much linked to Matt 24.

And yes, many people tend to apply Matt 24 to our church age now, esp v14, where they claim that Christians should be preaching the Great Commission because Jesus won't come back until we preach it to the whole world.

Not during the church age, but its very possible during the Tribulation by taking the mark of the beast, as everyone here also agrees...........

Please show scripture which supports this new age religion thinking? My KJV 1611 edition does not contain anything which could be remotely in support of ODSAS.

Almost every post you make makes a mockery of grace.....not to mention Jesus, the truth, faith, and a plethora of other words found within biblical truth!

Sure.....you say and repeat the same drivel she used to blather on about like full cream butter on a piece of burnt toast

Almost every post you make makes a mockery of grace.....not to mention Jesus, the truth, faith, and a plethora of other words found within biblical truth!

Almost (Every) post I make is mockery of Grace wow. Wow even other scriptures are. Ones that have nothing to do with Grace. Nearly every Post I made wasnt even about grace. So how can you say that?.

Adam was in the garden

If we use Osas formula once save always save

Once in the Garden always in the Garden.

It mean God Will do what ever He can to make Adam not Eat the forbiden fruit to keep him in the garden

The fact is God give a free Will to Adam and he lose his right to stay in the Garden.

To me It is paralel with salvation.

Salvation is by grace

Adam in the Garden is by grace, Adam not make Garden, God is

So Being in the Garden is a grace, is that mean he can not lose his grace?

You can keep your grace as long as not Eat the forbiden fruit.

It is quite simple....stop being a righteous person and G-d will strip you of your born again status.

OSAS is one of the most dumb and absent of common sense approaches to G-d's word and intent I have observed.
Really sad.

This concept has genesis in the proper conclusion that once G-d says we have eternal salvation by His judgement no one can take it away. That got spun into no loss from earthly born again while here status.
Once born again we MUST endure until the end being righteous.

Apparently God controls OSAS'ers but wheres the evidence. They surely arent perfect and another thing is I have been to so many OSAS churches and i haven't seen righteous living from most of the people, my previous pastor watches "Jersey shore" and told us, we just want to see how other people live. It seems more like a social club. All I used to do was play games with these people and another person goes "let's go church surfing" as if it were bar hopping.

(Every) post I make is mockery of Grace wow. Wow even other scriptures are. Ones that have nothing to do with Grace. Every Post I made wasnt even about grace. So how can you say that?.

Almost every post you make makes a mockery of grace.....not to mention Jesus, the truth, faith, and a plethora of other words found within biblical truth!

(Every) post I make is mockery of Grace wow. Wow even other scriptures are. Ones that have nothing to do with Grace. Every Post I made wasnt even about grace. So how can you say that?.

Sure.....you say and repeat the same drivel she used to blather on about like full cream butter on a piece of burnt toast

Context dictates the application of calling.....and to take it to an extreme just because the word calling is used = a misapplication of the word

Nice embellishment of what I said.....I said ALMOST EVERY not EVERY.....do you have an honest bone in your body?