Why I now believe that salvation can be lost.
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It is quite simple....stop being a righteous person and G-d will strip you of your born again status.
OSAS is one of the most dumb and absent of common sense approaches to G-d's word and intent I have observed.
Really sad.
This concept has genesis in the proper conclusion that once G-d says we have eternal salvation by His judgement no one can take it away. That got spun into no loss from earthly born again while here status.
Once born again we MUST endure until the end being righteous.
OSAS is one of the most dumb and absent of common sense approaches to G-d's word and intent I have observed.
Really sad.
This concept has genesis in the proper conclusion that once G-d says we have eternal salvation by His judgement no one can take it away. That got spun into no loss from earthly born again while here status.
Once born again we MUST endure until the end being righteous.
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Adam was in the garden
If we use Osas formula once save always save
Once in the Garden always in the Garden.
It mean God Will do what ever He can to make Adam not Eat the forbiden fruit to keep him in the garden
The fact is God give a free Will to Adam and he lose his right to stay in the Garden.
To me It is paralel with salvation.
Salvation is by grace
Adam in the Garden is by grace, Adam not make Garden, God is
So Being in the Garden is a grace, is that mean he can not lose his grace?
You can keep your grace as long as not Eat the forbiden fruit.
If we use Osas formula once save always save
Once in the Garden always in the Garden.
It mean God Will do what ever He can to make Adam not Eat the forbiden fruit to keep him in the garden
The fact is God give a free Will to Adam and he lose his right to stay in the Garden.
To me It is paralel with salvation.
Salvation is by grace
Adam in the Garden is by grace, Adam not make Garden, God is
So Being in the Garden is a grace, is that mean he can not lose his grace?
You can keep your grace as long as not Eat the forbiden fruit.
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Apparently God controls OSAS'ers but wheres the evidence. They surely arent perfect and another thing is I have been to so many OSAS churches and i haven't seen righteous living from most of the people, my previous pastor watches "Jersey shore" and told us, we just want to see how other people live. It seems more like a social club. All I used to do was play games with these people and another person goes "let's go church surfing" as if it were bar hopping.
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Here are a few scriptures regarding effort- since I am always being accused of trying to earn my salvation through self effort.
These scriptures arent about salvation, but what we must to do after we are born again-
*But says -without holiness no one will see the Lord.
- So if we dont have holiness we won't see the Lord.
Warning and Encouragement
14 (Make every effort) to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
*What was must do in accordance with Faith.
2 Peter 1:5-8 New International Version (NIV)
5 For this very reason, (make every effort) to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7 and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love.8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
*Making every effort to enter the narrow door.
Luke 13:24-30 New International Version (NIV)
24 “(Make every effort) to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
If you have a test and you put "effort" in to study? Is that "your" effort? Or is it
Gods effort. You can pray God helps you, but who does all the studying, reading and writing?.
These scriptures arent about salvation, but what we must to do after we are born again-
*But says -without holiness no one will see the Lord.
- So if we dont have holiness we won't see the Lord.
Warning and Encouragement
14 (Make every effort) to live in peace with everyone and to be holy; without holiness no one will see the Lord.
*What was must do in accordance with Faith.
2 Peter 1:5-8 New International Version (NIV)
5 For this very reason, (make every effort) to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge;6 and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; 7 and to godliness, mutual affection; and to mutual affection, love.8 For if you possess these qualities in increasing measure, they will keep you from being ineffective and unproductive in your knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ.
*Making every effort to enter the narrow door.
Luke 13:24-30 New International Version (NIV)
24 “(Make every effort) to enter through the narrow door, because many, I tell you, will try to enter and will not be able to. 25 Once the owner of the house gets up and closes the door, you will stand outside knocking and pleading, ‘Sir, open the door for us.’
If you have a test and you put "effort" in to study? Is that "your" effort? Or is it
Gods effort. You can pray God helps you, but who does all the studying, reading and writing?.
By evaluate the story of Adam, we have an idea about God mindset.
I am going to repeat the similarity of the story of Adam Being lose his Garden residency and losing salvation
1. Being in the Garden is a grace, Adam not work to make a Garden, It is by grace
1. Salvation is by grace not by work.
2. There is a requirement to keep his residency ( not Eat forbiden fruit)
2. There is requairement to be save (accepting Jesus or believe in Him)
3. When Adam breaking the rule, he lose his residency
3. I believe When we breaking the rule (not believe in Jesus anymore) we lose our salvation
I am going to repeat the similarity of the story of Adam Being lose his Garden residency and losing salvation
1. Being in the Garden is a grace, Adam not work to make a Garden, It is by grace
1. Salvation is by grace not by work.
2. There is a requirement to keep his residency ( not Eat forbiden fruit)
2. There is requairement to be save (accepting Jesus or believe in Him)
3. When Adam breaking the rule, he lose his residency
3. I believe When we breaking the rule (not believe in Jesus anymore) we lose our salvation
It is possible to be locked into a mindset. This mindset reinterprets everything we write into particular
motivations, of truth and lies. So the expression written relates to friend or foe and details are not important.
Truth seekers, see people for who they are, and then desires to share to their hearts.
Soldiers defend their position and destroy the enemy whenever possible.
motivations, of truth and lies. So the expression written relates to friend or foe and details are not important.
Truth seekers, see people for who they are, and then desires to share to their hearts.
Soldiers defend their position and destroy the enemy whenever possible.
This is just a full frontal assault without context or content.
It is also absurd. Anyone preaching faith through the cross is preaching grace, love, hope, salvation and
transformation.
The only people who care about this language are sincere believers. It is like getting a hand grenade
and pulling the pin. It is just self destructive, and shows the lack of distinguishing between sinful
behaviour and our walk in love and faith with Jesus.
It is also absurd. Anyone preaching faith through the cross is preaching grace, love, hope, salvation and
transformation.
The only people who care about this language are sincere believers. It is like getting a hand grenade
and pulling the pin. It is just self destructive, and shows the lack of distinguishing between sinful
behaviour and our walk in love and faith with Jesus.
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My friend, where is the respect. Did you read Nats testimony of a sinful lifestyle, riven with trying
to believe while living in unresolved sin, and failing and finally coming to faith and repentance,
grace and truth in walking the way of Jesus?
When ones father is destroyed by drugs, but finally comes to faith as they are dying, Amen.
Glory be to God on high.
This is the gospel at work, its power to change sinners into saints, to reach down and pull
out truth and hope, from lies, sin and death.
Appeasement to the struggles of perfectionists who can only condemn themselves so abandon
any love or reasonable moral standard is just denying Jesus and the cross, because love is not
allowed to break out in the heart.
What is sad is you do not see when Gods precious work is before you, all you can do is condemn
the very thing Jesus has worked so hard to bring about.
God bless you, may in humbleness we all come before the throne of grace and bow the knee to
His ways and His will, Amen
to believe while living in unresolved sin, and failing and finally coming to faith and repentance,
grace and truth in walking the way of Jesus?
When ones father is destroyed by drugs, but finally comes to faith as they are dying, Amen.
Glory be to God on high.
This is the gospel at work, its power to change sinners into saints, to reach down and pull
out truth and hope, from lies, sin and death.
Appeasement to the struggles of perfectionists who can only condemn themselves so abandon
any love or reasonable moral standard is just denying Jesus and the cross, because love is not
allowed to break out in the heart.
What is sad is you do not see when Gods precious work is before you, all you can do is condemn
the very thing Jesus has worked so hard to bring about.
God bless you, may in humbleness we all come before the throne of grace and bow the knee to
His ways and His will, Amen
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So "almost" is now a reason to say someone is totally dishonest and a liar?
I think you live for these moments, this interplay, this mission.
A lone spiritual fighter, standing heroically against the impossible, overwhelming enemy.
Except the enemy are works of Christ, seeking to share the wonderful work He has done
in their hearts. How can something so sincere and heart felt end up in such a car crash?
I think you live for these moments, this interplay, this mission.
A lone spiritual fighter, standing heroically against the impossible, overwhelming enemy.
Except the enemy are works of Christ, seeking to share the wonderful work He has done
in their hearts. How can something so sincere and heart felt end up in such a car crash?