Revelation in Chronological Order?

Should have included this comment in my previous post, any individual who reads "The Revelation of Jesus Christ" should pay particular note to Rev 1v3, but especially to Rev 22v18,19 which states:

"For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book."

The events of Revelation Ch 6 to Ch 18 detail the last approx. 2000 years after Messiah ascended and satan was cast out. Revelation ch 19-22 are still future. Historist view.

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5) The Messiah appears (after ascending to heaven in Acts 1) and begins unsealing the scroll (28AD)



6) Spirits of judgment loosed:
- 5th seal: 1st-century disciples killed; persecution by Rome begins
- 6th seal: 70AD destruction of temple & Jerusalem by Rome

7) The Elect is marked on earth before the judgment against Rome begins


8) 7th Seal - Silence. Judgment begins

- Prayers of 1st-century martyrs are the fire cast to earth
- Trump 1: Goths invade Rome from the north; called a "hailstorm" by historian Claudian (400-410AD); burning everything they conquered
- Trump 2: Vandals massacre Rome by sea, led by Gaiseric, "the tyrant of the sea", turned seas to blood (425-470AD)
- Trump 3: Huns (masters of the great Po river) invade Rome (451AD), led by Attila the Hun, called "scourge of God" caused desolation of soldiers in the rivers (turned to blood from the immense slaughter), undrinkable.
- Trump 4: Heruli invaded western 1/3 of Rome (476AD); Western Rome ended.


9) Trump 5: (612-762AD) for 150 years (5 prophetic months), Islam/Mohamedeans/Saracens (worshipping the fallen star called "Kaaba stone") invaded 1/3 of Roman world. Arabian armies (locusts) from east were prevented from hurting the land (because of a principle in the Koran), but only attacked "Maryolaters" (worshippers of Mary; Roman Catholics). Arabs wore turban crowns under long hair (hair like women, but with beards like men), breastplates of iron, shot arrows laying from the tail of their horses like stingers. Historically did not hurt the Jews but only required conversion or taxes.

- Trump 6: Ottoman [Turkish] empire (1062-1453 AD) - formed from 4 groups (i.e. 4 angels) - rose from the Euphrates and attacked the remaining Roman empire (i.e. Byzantine Empire). 200,000,000 Turkish horsemen pulled 67 cannons (i.e. gunpowder = "fire, smoke, brimstone"). However, Papal Rome continued in blasphemy, gaining power and persecuting the elect.


10) The Messiah stands on land & sea saying "there's no more delay"

- Great Tribulation of the elect (believing Jews & Gentiles)
- Ref. Daniel 12:7 - The scattering/shattering of the power of the holy people
- Protestant Reformation: truth sweeter than honey but makes people sick (they preached, "the Papacy is not the representative of Christ but actually the little horn of Daniel")


11) Bibles, though once restricted by Rome, were freely distributed to everyone in 1570s

- Printing press - 1440 AD
- Truth must be retold to many nations, peoples, tongue to correct Papal Rome's false doctrines
- Two Witnesses: Israel believers in Christ (natural olive tree) & Gentile believers (wild olive tree) testify against Papal Rome & Islam
- They do exploits (Ref. Daniel 11:32)
- 538 AD Papacy rises to power and persecutes the elect (538-1798 AD) - 1260 years
- 688 AD Dome of The Rock built in Jerusalem marks trouble in the land (688-1948AD) - 1260 years
- Many believers (Jew & Gentile) are killed after their testimony = Great Tribulation
- Great Earthquake = Papal Rome's power is destroyed = deadly wound of chapter 13
- (we are currently living in the 3rd woe/ Trump 7 in our day)...End vision.



12) Birth, Ministry & ascension of the Messiah to heaven's throne (3BC-28AD)

- Casting down of satan; war waged against Israel (70 AD) in great wrath
- Persecution of Jews by satan = Great Tribulation through Pagan Rome; 688-1948AD


13) Beast from sea = Papal Rome gains power, also persecutes Jew & Gentile believers (538-1798AD) = Great Tribulation

- Beast from earth (i.e. wilderness/uninhabited land) rises after Papal Rome's decline = USA (1776 AD)


14) {{parenthetical break}} The Elect of Israel is described and they preach the three angels' messages:

- (in 2019AD we are currently in the time of the regathering of believing Israel. The resurrection is soon to follow.)
- (...the wrath of the wicked is also beginning to fall from heaven now)



15) The angels have the seven last plagues

- The harvest of believers (plus resurrection) who overcome the beast, the image, and the mark sing a song of Moses
- They'll be standing on the sapphire floor of the heavenly throne (a repeat of chapter 7's vision of The Elect celebrating overcoming the Great Tribulation of the last 2000 years since satan fell after Christ ascended to heaven in 28AD and kicked him out).


16) The last plagues on satan's kingdom begin...

- Meanwhile Satan, the Beast of sea and Beast of earth continue to lie and propagandize (i.e. frog spirits) to keep people ignorant and/or to gather them against the Almighty of the scriptures (i.e. believers are called bigots and intolerant. The truth is called hate speech. denominations war amongst each other. Truth cast to ground).



17) Description of Mystery Babylon

18) Babylon is judged by the same three angels' message event mentioned in chapter 14 and hinted at in chapter 11

- We are currently in this event



19) The marriage supper and union between the Messiah and his people.

20) The 1000 year reign by the Messiah & his people over those nations who didn't gather against them, teaching them the ways of the Almighty.

- This is the 7th day = the Day of the Lord = The Sabbath Rest.
- The last 2000 years of mankind were the 5th & 6th days respectively (when the beasts of the sea and beasts of earth were introduced and commanded to multiply)
- With the marriage supper representing "mankind being made in the Almighty's image" just before the start of the 7th day.
- Mankind in the Image of the Almighty was given dominion over all the beasts, likewise, the transformed elect rules over the wicked nations that remain.
- satan is freed after the 1000 years to attack the elect (i.e. "Gog & Magog") with those who are once again seduced by him...but all will be destroyed by fire.




21 & 22) New Jerusalem, the Kingdom of Heaven, manifests

I take it it wasn't always from a historicist perspective, because when John wrote Revelation it was all future.

That's how time works.

I see you haven't read the warning that the Lord gives in rev 22v18,19!

And that is how names we give movements work as well. Some day the futurists will be looking back into time and say, 'see, I told ya so'! LOL

The information above couldn't be further from the truth! What you have listed above is called the "Historical View." We are currently still living in the church period, which is the "what is now" portion of what John was told to write. The seals, trumpets and bowl judgments will take place within the last seven years prior to the Lord's return to the earth. These, along with the plagues of the two witnesses, is how the wrath of God will be carried out and will take place in the literal sense. Regarding all of those dates and historic events that you listed, there is no way to link them together whatsoever. It's just conjecture in order to find fulfillment for those events.

Once the church has been removed, then the first seal rider on the white horse will be opened, which is representing the antichrist and which we have yet to see.

I am always amazed at how people diminish God's coming wrath. When the seals, trumpets and bowl judgments take place, the entire world will be affected.

The seals haven't been opened yet. The first seal rider on the white horse is representing the antichrist which is a counterfeit of the rider on the white horse of Rev.19:11-21.

The 5th seal martyrs seen under the altar, reveals those who will be martyred for their faith in Christ during the first 3 1/2 of the tribulation period. They are told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed, which would be those great tribulation saints who will be killed during the second half of the seven year period.

6th seal:

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The 6th seal has nothing at all to do with the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in 70 AD. The results of the 6th seal are as follows:

* There was a great earthquake, and the sun became black like sackcloth of goat hair, and the whole moon turned blood red, and the stars of the sky fell to the earth like unripe figs

* The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was moved from its place.

* Then the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and free man, hid in the caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16And they said to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of the One seated on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb. For the great day of Their wrath has come, and who is able to withstand it?”

Nowhere in the scripture above regarding the 6th seal is there any mention of the destruction of the temple or Jerusalem.

After the 6th seal is opened, the sun will literally become black like sackcloth, the moon will appear in color as blood red and the stars (asteroids, meteorites, etc.) will hit the earths atmosphere.

The reference to the "sky receding like a scroll, is referring to the sky being opened so that God can will be visible in heaven sitting on His throne, so that all inhabitants of the earth will be able to see Him. Because of this, "the kings of the earth, the nobles, the commanders, the rich, the mighty and every slave and free man, it is inferring that every inhabitant on the planet earth will hide in caves and call to the mountains to fall them, I.e. kill them in order to get out of God's line of sight because it will be so terrifying.

The reference to "the great day of their wrath has come and can endure it" is referring to God's wrath in its entirety, which will include the first five seals that will have already taken place, as well as the coming trumpets and bowl judgments.

Only the 144,000 from the literal twelve tribes that come out of Israel are sealed, as revealed below:

"And I heard the number of those who were sealed, 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel"

7th Seal

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* about a half hour of silence
* Seven angels are given their trumpets
* Much incense with the prayers of the saints are offered up before God

"Then the angel took the censer, filled it with fire from the altar, and hurled it to the earth"

The fire comes from the altar in heaven. There is nothing in the context that would suggest that this represents the 1st century martyrs.

You said -Trump 1:

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Scripture says:
"Then the first angel sounded his trumpet, and hail and fire mixed with blood were hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, along with a third of the trees and all the green grass."

The results from the first Trumpet will take place just as the scripture stats, with the results being a literal third of the earth and trees being burned up. What is not mentioned are the amount of fatalities that will result. For a third of the earth and trees being burned up cannot take place without there being many fatalities.

There is nothing whatsoever to link the first trumpet with the historical event of the Goths. They are just arbitrarily assigned to this trumpet judgment without any rhyme or reason.

And just fyi, the destruction resulting from the trumpets and bowl judgments will be the results of the four angels who were told in Rev.7"2-3 not to harm the land, sea or trees until the 144,000 were sealed.

You said - Trump 2:

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Scripture says:
"Then the second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a great mountain burning with fire was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned to blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed."

John sees "something like a great mountain," most likely an asteroid coming through the earths atmosphere, which is why he sees it burning with fire. The result will be a third of the creatures in the sea dying and a third of the ships being destroyed. And the reason for this will be due to the gigantic Tsunami waves generated by this asteroid/object splashing down in one of the oceans. What is not said is, how many people on those ships? How many people in the cities and towns that touch that body of water be killed? How far will those Tsunami's go inland? 50 miles? A 100? What will the casualties be? These are the questions that people don't look into because they just read over the immediate information.

What the scripture is actually saying is that the result will be that all of the creatures in that body of water will be killed and all of the ships in that body of water will be destroyed, which will equal a third when compared to the entire earth.

You said - Trump 3:

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Scripture says:
"Then the third angel sounded his trumpet, and a great star burning like a torch fell from heaven and landed on a third of the rivers and on the springs of water. The name of the star is Wormwood. A third of the waters turned bitter like wormwood oil, and many people died from the bitter waters."

As John is writing Revelation, they have no scientific classification for the objects in the cosmos, except for the sun and the moon. Everything else was a star to them. We must remember that John is seeing visions of God's future wrath. He describes this 3rd Trumpet as a great star burning like a torch. The result is that it falls on a third of the rivers and springs of water, which would be referring to fresh drinking water, with many people dying from drinking the water.

His description matches that of a comet, whose orbit is around the sun. A comet is made up of ice and rock for the most part. While a comet is in orbit around the sun, it is absorbing the lethal rays of the sun. What if a comet was what John had seen falling from heaven and explodes in the atmosphere. All of the ice that will have absorbed all of the sun's radiation would fall to the earth and into the rivers and fresh water so that, when people drink it, the will be ingesting all of that radioactivity, which would destroy them from the inside out. The comet theory is just conjecture on my part based on the information given. However, what it is not describing is the Hun's invading Rome. If the plain literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense.

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You said - Trump 4:

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Scripture says:
"When the fourth angel sounded his trumpet, and a third of the sun and moon and stars were struck. A third of the stars were darkened, a third of the day was without light, and a third of the night as well."

As previously stated, "if the plain literal sense makes good sense, then don't seek any other sense." That said, according to the scripture, at the sounding of the 4th trumpet, a third of the sun, moon and stars will be struck so that they will be darkened by a third. The result will be that the earth will be missing a third of the light that is emitted during both day and night. There are no fatalities mentioned as a result of this trumpet. I believe that the diminishing of the light for both night and day will be in preparation for the next tree trumpets which are referred to as woes, so named because they are all demonic in nature. In any case, the earth will only be receiving 2/3's of its normal light.

You said - Trump 5:

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Scripture says:
"Then the fifth angel sounded his trumpet, and I saw a star that had fallen from heaven to earth, and it was given the key to the pit of the Abyss. The star opened the pit of the Abyss, and smoke rose out of it like the smoke of a great furnace, and the sun and the air were darkened by the smoke from the pit.

And out of the smoke, locusts descended on the earth, and they were given power like that of the scorpions of the earth. They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. The locusts were not given power to kill them, but only to torment them for five months, and their torment was like the stinging of a scorpion. In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will long to die, but death will escape them.

And the locusts looked like horses prepared for battle, with something like crowns of gold on their heads, and faces like the faces of men. They had hair like that of women, and teeth like those of lions. They also had thoraxes like breastplates of iron, and the sound of their wings was like the roar of many horses and chariots rushing into battle. They had tails with stingers like scorpions, which had the power to injure people for five months. They were ruled by a king, the angel of the Abyss. His name in Hebrew is Abaddon, and in Greek it is Apollyon."

The short version is that, at the sounding of the 5th Trumpet/1st woe, a star, figuratively an angel, will fall from heaven to the earth who will have been given the key to the Abyss. And out of the Abyss will come demonic beings resembling locusts looking like horses prepared for battle. They will have the faces like that of men, hair like that of women, teeth like lions teeth and tails and stingers like scorpions. Their sole purpose which they are commanded to do, will be to torment the inhabitants of the earth with stings like scorpions for five months. The only ones protected from their torment will be those 144,000 who will have been sealed with the seal of God in their foreheads, which takes place in Rev.7:3-4. This means that everyone else on the planet will be exposed to their torment. Their king is that angel of the Abyss whose name in Hebrew and Greek is destroyer, who is that beast who once was, now is not and will come up out of the Abyss. It is here at the sounding of the 5th Trumpet where that beast/angel comes up out of the Abyss. In fact, once the Abyss is opened here, it remains opened until the Lord's return to the earth to end the age, where it is locked back up when Satan is imprisoned there during the thousand year reign of Christ.

Needless to say, the 5th Trumpet has nothing at all to do with "Islam/Mohamedeans/Saracens (worshipping the fallen star called "Kaaba stone"), or anything else that you wrote. Again, this all conjecture on your part.

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You said -

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Scripture says:

"Then I saw another mighty angel coming down from heaven, wrapped in a cloud, with a rainbow above his head. His face was like the sun, and his legs like pillars of fire."

"Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land lifted up his right hand to heaven. And he swore by Him who lives forever and ever, who created heaven and everything in it, the earth and everything in it, and the sea and everything in it: “There will be no more delay!"

You are assuming that this angel is the Lord because of his similar description to the Lord. However, John makes clear that he is "another mighty angel," which is also supported by the fact that he lifts his right hand and swears by Him who lives for ever and ever. That said, Jesus, who is God, lives forever and ever and is the First and the Last and therefore, you would have him lifting his right hand and swearing to Himself. And we know from Colossians 1:15-19 and Hebrews 1:10-12 that they state that Jesus created all things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities. All things were created through Him and for Him.

The conclusion is that, this is a mighty angel and not the Lord who swearing.

You said - Beast from sea

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The beast from the sea represents Satan as the orchestrater, with the characteristics of having seven heads and ten horns, which represent related characteristics. The beast is also used to refer to that last day ruler who speaks blasphemous words about God and his tabernacle, i.e. those who dwell in heaven.

The woman you saw is that great city that rules over the kings of the earth (Rome)

The seven heads are seven hills/mountains upon which the woman sits (Rome's religious headquarters, the Vatican)

The seven heads also represent seven kings. This was a succession of seven past rulers of the same nation, with the beast who comes up out of the Abyss as the eighth king who is the one who will survive the fatal wound.

Scripture says:
This will be a second beast out of the earth, also known as the false prophet (Rev.16:13, 19:20). The false prophet will be an individual just as the beast will be. The false prophet is the one who will cause the inhabitants of the earth to worship the first beast/antichrist, to receive his mark and to worship his image. The false prophet will be given the ability to perform miracles, signs and wonders for the purpose of deceiving the inhabitants of the earth. That both the beast and the false prophet are individuals, is supported by the fact that Rev.20 states that when Jesus returns to the earth, both of them are captured and thrown alive into the lake of fire.

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Scripture states that the angels are the ones who preach the eternal gospel, to worship God who created all things and a warning for those who worship the beast, his image and receive his mark. The scripture makes it clear that it is the angels who announce these things and not the elect of Israel.

Would you like to share something specific that you're implying I added or took away? There's a 1000 character limit so I couldn't expound on everything.

I'm not sure futurists will be saying that when the time comes but to each his/her own...

Two Roman Catholic cardinals created preterism and futurism (respectively), to counteract the protestant reformers who were implicating them as the little horn power and Mystery Babylon, which was the traditional protestant viewpoint and one of the big reasons for separating from Papal Rome.

That is a false interpretation of Revelation. Were it true the world would have become a wasteland.

That's what's meant by the Messiah's words...

"Except those days (of tribulation) should be shortened no flesh would be saved, but for the elect's sake those days (of tribulation) were shortened."

The entire world was affected by the events that occurred in the last 2000 years and changed substantially because of them. Rome's fall, Crusades, Transatlantic Slave Trade, WW1, WW2, Nuclear Age, to name a few...

It's pretty surprising that we assume the Almighty has somehow been completely silent for 20 centuries of human history, as we arbitrarily add our own gap to his prophecies where no gap is described, just to fit our eschatology.

Consider this...We know that the statue in Nebuchadnezzar & Daniel's dream was a complete statue from head to toe prophecying all the major empires of the world, flowing from one to another until the statue was destroyed at the toes by heaven's stone (i.e. Christ) which then grew into a great mountain to cover the earth.

...Now if we want to argue that the stone is the church age, then either we have to conclude that the 10 toed mixed kingdoms have already been smashed and the kingdom of heaven is here now (preterism)...OR we're forced to arbitrarily break the statue's legs at the ankles to create a gap to fit in the church age before getting to the toes (futurism)...OR what we call the church age is really the 10 toed kingdoms mixed with iron and clay (i.e. the events of Revelation fulfilling throughout these last 2000 years). Those are our only three options.

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Regarding linking the dates; sure we can link them. We can start with Luke 21. The disciples *specifically* ask (1) when the destruction of the 2nd temple will occur, (2) when will be the sign of the Messiah's return and (3) the end of the age. Again, they were specifically asking about the 2nd temple's destruction, not a future temple. Historically we know this occurred in 70AD. The Messiah then went through the list of events leading up to and following the 2nd temple's destruction, and those events match the first 6 seals of Revelation.

Luke 21:5-7 [brackets mine]
And as some spake of the [2nd] temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

Christ answers (verses 8-12):

- Beware of Deception
- Wars & rumors of wars
- Famine
- Diseases
- Signs in heavens (but before this...)
- Persecution for testimony


...so because Christ said "but before this" for the signs, we can swap the last two...

1- Deception
2- Wars
3- Famine
4- Diseases
5- Persecution for testimony
6- Signs in heavens


...Christ then continues...

When you, therefore [means "consequently"], see Jerusalem surrounded by armies know that its desolation is nigh (verse 20) = 70AD destruction of Temple & Jerusalem.

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What Christ prophesied in Luke 21:8-12 is literally the seals being broken in order in Revelation 6:

Seal 1- Deception (most call it the anti-christ)
Seal 2- Wars
Seal 3- Famine
Seal 4- Death
Seal 5- Killed for testimony
Seal 6- Signs in heavens


...and remember Christ is answering the disciples' question: "when will the 2nd temple be destroyed", which we KNOW was destroyed in 70AD. So the first 6 seals were opened before 70AD. We're even given a phrase that gives another link to the 6th seal and the destruction of the 2nd temple.


Revelation 6:15-16
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, FALL ON US, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb


Luke 23:28-31 (during the crucifixion)
But Jesus turning unto them said, Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, FALL ON US; and to the hills, Cover us.

31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?


So the 6th seal = the judgment on the Jews for rejecting Christ, which happened in 70AD.


Luke 21:20-23
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

22 For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

23 But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and WRATH upon this people.



So the 70AD destruction = the events of the 6th seal = Beginning wrath upon the Jews for rejecting the Messiah.

Where do people come up wiht this stuff? Just look at this one passage

Revelation 6:15-16
And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, FALL ON US, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb

Can someone explain to me why the kings of the earth feared for their lives in 70 AD? I mean i understand, we trust those who teach us, But sometimes we just have to scratch our heads, and say wait a minute, This is impossible. Something is wrong here, so I need to study to find the truth, not buy into something just because it is what I am being taught!

I like much of this. Thanks for your input on these things, especially the Trumpets.

Where I differ is the following:
1) we are currently in the event of Mystery Babylon 17) where this represents Modern Day Roman Catholicism and the many other liberal denominations that are moving toward sexual immorality and Roman Catholicism.
2) The 2nd Beast of Revelation is the Middle Ages Roman Catholic Church and NOT USA.
3) The 1st Beast is the Roman Empire (and subsequent Byzantine Empire).

What has tripped historicists up the most has been identifying the "Mark of the Beast".
the "Mark of the Beast" is the crucifix. An image of a man whose number is 666. It is also the sign of the cross that the catholic church habitually puts on the foreheads of its congregation with the right hand. It is also the imposition of ashes (death on a cross) placed on the forehead or right hand. It is an image of a man that is worshipped and placed on the forehead or right hand. They receive this mark in the name of the Father(7), Son(7), and Holy Spirit(7), and it sounds like 777, but what the people are really receiving is a mark of the Father(6), Son(6), and Holy Spirit(6), and it is 666.

777 is the true Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
666 sounds like the truth, but is a deception. It is part of the strong delusion that was prophesied.

Today, receiving the Mark of the Beast is all voluntary.
But it was forced upon people in the middle ages during the reign of the 2nd beast.

hhhYIIY
To me, it's not who started a movement (rumors abound) but whether or not it is true.

Amen

God told us to be God followers. Not men followers.

Israel is to be a royal nation of priest kings with Christ as king of kings, ruling over the earth. I mean, that IS what you become when you're grafted in isn't it? A king of the earth?

However a time of wrath against them was prophesied to happen first.

...but I guess the fact that the Messiah not only warned his people to flee *to the mountains* but also said they would say these *exact words* during his crucifixion doesn't really matter just like much of the rest of his words don't really matter for anything else, right? Only our doctrines and traditions?