Revelation in Chronological Order?
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That and for other reasons is why garee has been on my ignore list for so long.
However, I might add that, even though Jesus sent his angel to reveal this information, we also see Jesus interacting with John. For in Rev.1:17 John states that Jesus places His right hand on John telling him not to be afraid. And even though these are future events, we also see the four living beings and some of the elders interacting with John. It almost seems like a living vision, if I could coin that phrase.
However, I might add that, even though Jesus sent his angel to reveal this information, we also see Jesus interacting with John. For in Rev.1:17 John states that Jesus places His right hand on John telling him not to be afraid. And even though these are future events, we also see the four living beings and some of the elders interacting with John. It almost seems like a living vision, if I could coin that phrase.
I would a agree a living "signified vision" if I could coin a phrase...... a parable.
If you would look it seems clear the word reference to "signified" ….by iamsoandso as to its meaning was not given. He avoided the meaning and suggested it was sent which I was already in agreement that it was sent. A non answer I would think. .
It spoke of sending it but not what kind of semantics used to signify that which is sent..... the hidden Manna spoken of in chapter 2?
If you would look it seems clear the word reference to "signified" ….by iamsoandso as to its meaning was not given. He avoided the meaning and suggested it was sent which I was already in agreement that it was sent. A non answer I would think. .
It spoke of sending it but not what kind of semantics used to signify that which is sent..... the hidden Manna spoken of in chapter 2?
Yes, I responded to your OP in an earlier post (Post #10),
...this post ^ (you are/were quoting, of mine) is in response to your follow-up Question (regarding my other post), where you are asking about "So how do the seals fit in with the rest of Rev? That would be a start." My quoting of a post I made long ago was an effort to keep from having to re-type a bunch of the same explanation.
Sorry if it confused you or you didn't feel addressed your specific question regarding "how do the seals fit in with the rest of Rev?"
(I'm simply saying that they "kick off" [INITIATE] the 7-yr period [and parallel/equal "the beginning of birth PANGS]"].)
...this post ^ (you are/were quoting, of mine) is in response to your follow-up Question (regarding my other post), where you are asking about "So how do the seals fit in with the rest of Rev? That would be a start." My quoting of a post I made long ago was an effort to keep from having to re-type a bunch of the same explanation.
Sorry if it confused you or you didn't feel addressed your specific question regarding "how do the seals fit in with the rest of Rev?"
(I'm simply saying that they "kick off" [INITIATE] the 7-yr period [and parallel/equal "the beginning of birth PANGS]"].)
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Oops... and I forgot to say (in my last post) that I had prefaced my quoting of my long-ago post with the words:
[at TOP of post, I said]
"[quoting my previous post (note: different convo context, but hopefully you can see what I believe are the EQUIVALENT of "SEAL #1")]"
...so the ending of that old post of mine (the part you quoted) was addressing a DIFFERENT [old] convo, lol, not DIRECTLY to your OP. (It was just part of the old post I was quoting, to save typing
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Your Post #22 was asking about the "SEALS"
[at TOP of post, I said]
"[quoting my previous post (note: different convo context, but hopefully you can see what I believe are the EQUIVALENT of "SEAL #1")]"
...so the ending of that old post of mine (the part you quoted) was addressing a DIFFERENT [old] convo, lol, not DIRECTLY to your OP. (It was just part of the old post I was quoting, to save typing
)Your Post #22 was asking about the "SEALS"
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It doesn't mean anything. I was just trying to be amusing by linking the word 'advent' to Adventist. My wife is a Seventh Day Adventist. I'm sorry to take away from the seriousness of your post by my attempt at humor. By the way, I don't consider you to be a slow learner but rather a serious student of God's word as found in scripture.
Yes, that is correct. After Jesus tells them about the destruction of the temple, they ask Him what will be the sign of His coming and the end of the age. To be clear for the sake of anyone reading that may not know, the end of the age is when Jesus returns to the earth to end the age, which will take place after God's wrath has been completed, more specifically after the 7th bowl judgment.
The Lord's physical and visual return to end the age is depicted in Matt.24:29-31 when all of the inhabitants of the earth will see Him arriving on the clouds of heaven with great power and glory. This is synonymous with Rev.1:7, with a detailed account being found in Rev.19:11-21.
The Lord's physical and visual return to end the age is depicted in Matt.24:29-31 when all of the inhabitants of the earth will see Him arriving on the clouds of heaven with great power and glory. This is synonymous with Rev.1:7, with a detailed account being found in Rev.19:11-21.
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Yeah, my view [see my "depictions" in Post #19] is that Rev14:10 is not saying this is when "the wrath of God COMMENCES [arrives to begin]," but that (as it ['wrath'] has been unfolding since Rev4-5-[6], when Jesus will "STAND to JUDGE") this later section is referring specifically to the Vials [commencing 3/4 of the way through, approx], and which, of them [the Vials], it is said, "for IN THEM the wrath of God WAS COMPLETED" (not, 'is STARTED') and aka "the seven LAST plagues" (not the first [moments] of them). I believe the wrath of God is what Jesus is unleashing when He will "STAND to JUDGE" (Rev4-5; Isa3:13; and 2Th2:7b-8a which wording sounds equivalent to that of Lam2:3-4, in a context where "wrath" words are also referred to, in vv.1-7 or thereabouts, IOW, the "enemy" being unleashed IN THIS LAM2:3-4 context IS His wrath [equivalent Seal #1]).
I believe the words "the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation," that this "without mixture" means [something along the lines of] "full strength" (aka "for IN THEM the wrath of God WAS COMPLETED" [not speaking of the first moments of His wrath (unfolding), which were less than "full strength" (earlier in the trib years) and which were geared toward the goal of causing repentance/a change of mind concerning the Messiah/Jesus Christ]--by the point in time of the Vials, the mark has been taken [by some], i.e. it's all over for them! [no "repentance" happening, for these])
I believe the words "the same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation," that this "without mixture" means [something along the lines of] "full strength" (aka "for IN THEM the wrath of God WAS COMPLETED" [not speaking of the first moments of His wrath (unfolding), which were less than "full strength" (earlier in the trib years) and which were geared toward the goal of causing repentance/a change of mind concerning the Messiah/Jesus Christ]--by the point in time of the Vials, the mark has been taken [by some], i.e. it's all over for them! [no "repentance" happening, for these])