Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14

Lol Wow. Gotta love the side show.

Unilluminated cessationist…..? as compared to those who seek after a sign and wonders gospel, as a false source of light. and make Jesus into a circus seal. Perform a miracle and then we will believe as in why would we need faith when its right before our eyes.?.

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

There simply is no such thing as "sign gift" The kingdom of God to this day does not come by observation.

Spiritual unseen gift, yes. Sign metaphors follow them that have believed the gospel They are given a desire as a new tongue to bring the gospel into the world as a kingdom of priest. Those who add to the word as false prophets(not the true light the word of God the poison of their lies will not harm the believer . .Can't see a Spirit work . The bells and whistle gospel with all the trimmings

Signs and wonderment seekers I would suggest are false source of light. They simply have another mediator other than the word of God alone , another gospel . The last book Revelation is still when the seals were added. For some reason some men seem to have no problem breaking the 7 seals. breaking the seals opening the air way for what Catholics call private revelations, as lying wonders to cause a illusion of light, a guide from their mystics drawing som into that kind of light . Making the word of God without effect.

No man can serve two sources of light. he will love the one and hate the other or vise versa. Those who does sek after the things sen and call it a gift to confirm something I would suggest fall un der the description below. All of the bells and whistles from the previous verse(19) came to nothing.

Isaiah 8:20To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

In regard to fool's paradise. Did you mean the ones that hold to illuminated warning no to add to or subtract from all things written in the law and the prophets .at the end of the book of prophecy ???

Its those unilluminated that after all that that yet still refuse to believe prophecy.(hear God) same group . They are those who are identified as those who "fall back slain in the spirit" . They are revealed as a sign of unbelief (no faith)

A judgement against them that mock God. God mocking them.. The same kind in the law found in 1 Corinthians 14 :22_23 yet still refuse to believe prophecy

Isaiah 28:11-13 King James Version (KJV) For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

1 Corinthians 14:20-22 King James Version (KJV) Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

"Falling back" is synonymous with those who will not hear the word of God but rather will do whatsoever their own mouth as oral traditions of men performing another gospel of signs and wonderment or amazement

Dan is used to represent those with false prophecy as poison Just as Eli and Judas . Perhaps the Pentecostals can invent a sign that does not show they have no illumination coming from the word?.

Genesis 49:17 Dan shall be a serpent by the way, an adder in the path, that biteth the horse heels, so that his rider shall fall backward.

Falling forward is a sign of worship. It would seem when looking at the references that throughout the Bible forward represents the drawing power of God and backward in need of repentance. Jesus sets the example.

Mark 14:35 And he went forward a little, and fell on the ground, and prayed that, if it were possible, the hour might pass from him.


1 Samuel 4:18 And it came to pass, when he made mention of the ark of God, that he fell from off the seat backward by the side of the gate, and his neck brake, and he died: for he was an old man, and heavy. And he had judged Israel forty years.

John 18:5-7 King James Version (KJV) They answered him, Jesus of Nazareth. Jesus saith unto them, I am he. And Judas also, which betrayed him, stood with them.As soon then as he had said unto them, I am he, they went backward, and fell to the ground.
Then asked he them again, Whom seek ye? And they said, Jesus of Nazareth.


I am he sure has some illunminatied power. Knocked those unbeleivers backward right off thier feet to show they are the ones the sign of tongues confirms as those who have no light. Knocked the socks right off of them

Finally getting back to responding.

The idea of speaking in tongues (the prayer kind, not the speaking-to-the-church usage) is indeed a dividing concept.

However, let me ask you a question. When you met those Pentecostal people, did they say that it's only for them but you couldn't have it?

Love in Jesus,

Hi Kelby, i met them in 1988 and 1989. They said, so far i renember, every christian can get this gift.

More truthful information about speaking in tongues ...

http://www.revivalcentres.org/speaking-in-tongues/

Well,neither do you if you modify,leave out, and change gifts from heaven.
It's like saying baseball has ceased and all those players at ball parks are fakes.
Then you hope to prove it and authenticate your fantasy by pointing out a team that cant get it right.
But hey, if no power works for you,have at it.

It is the question whose Spirit is behind a teaching.
I believe in miracles, healings today done through our heavenly father. I just dont trust that pentecostal/charismatic teaching.
What is wrong with this?
And serious maby you have an advise for this brother/ sister hanania1.

The starting point in not in Acts2. The Holy Spirit is already doing his work he promised in Isiah 28 to expose those who have no faith needed to hear God not seen

Its always wise to look to the foundation of a doctrines .Like David said .If those who have no faith make the foundation of the doctrine of God without effect. .What can we do other than offer it to them in a hope they could understand why God mocks those with stammering lips who mock him, by making the oral traditions of men take away the understanding of the doctrines of God. In some sort of hope of self edification. He mocks them with stammering. Yet for all that they still refuse to believe, the foundation. Two signs against them. one they will not believe prophecy over their new oral tradition and tow they are shown as those who fall backward .A sign of judgment .Not a sign of faith. like us bringing the gospel out into the word called a "new tongue ' It follows that one has the gospel .

Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts. For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
For with stammering lips and "another tongue" will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. But the word of the Lord was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken. Isaiah 28:

Well, according this teaching I have not the Holy Spirit and i am not sealed with him. Because I do not speak in tongues.
Is it not curious, that this teaching is not to find in the bible and also not in the history till the pentecostal movement startet?
Nowhere it is taught in the bible that speaking in tongues is the outer proof for an innere reality ( sealed with the Holy Spirit) as this from you mentioned website claimes.
In my eyes this is an lie. False teaching!

I would think getting the right definition could help the right team LOL. Defining the "unseen" spiritual gifts is not "modifying them" .Modifying them would be trying to make that "not seen" into a "sign gift". Now you don't see it.... now you do.

In that way it takes away the faith principle( the understanding of God) The faithless outward Jew in respects to the temporal flesh were noted for turning things upside down as an example of unbelief in respect to mankind.

God is no respecter of the flesh and blood its all from the same field of clay.. . its not our struggle.

Believing that which what the eyes see as a foundation, as if the kingdom of God did come by observation.. was the struggle against spirits and principalities.

The faithless Jews used that kind of persuasion and made Jesus into a circus seal .Like...Work a miracle and when we see the outcome then we will have received the spiritual understanding. Not before .

John 6:30 They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work? …...(No faith, none)

Can't see spiritual gifts .They have a different kind of wrapping paper (self cloaking camouflage) .

2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight

It's like saying in baseball "no balking". The ball must be there or there is not to swing at. (all base runner advance. )

I wonder. Has a game ever ended because of a balk ? Instead of take your place the call was seasons over?

No power comes from that seen (us). Rather it comes from the Holy Place of the glory of God called faith, the unseen eternal that does indwell us .

He is our witness that confirms we hear him..

He promises us he will not forget the good works we offered towards his name as he does bring to our mind the things he has taught us . In that we ay we are reminded to call no one on earth "master infallible teacher" for one is in heaven, our Holy Father. We are to call no man father on earth or no man good teacher on earth. The Son of man, Jesus refused to stand in the Holy Place of the Father and said only God is good.

I would say if we need confirmation repent ( a form of comforting oneself with the forgiveness and love of another). and return to our first love the hearing of the gospel of faith and believing God not seen. The salvation we are receiving as a living abiding hope . . . if

He that began the good work in us it can be the witness of faith. Look in and believe the mirror of faith, the law of Liberty .

.2 Corinthians 4:7But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us. (Not of what the eyes see )

Sounds like those in John below...

John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?

It would seem to me that you do speak in the new language that follows those that believe called the gospel the language of salvation . The same language that can cast out demons as lying spirits .There are other metaphors used to describe the unseen work of God's Spirit that does work in us to both will and do His good pleasure . Those spiritual blind see according to the hidden understanding, those who are deaf hear the spiritual tongue of God called prophecy. Many more used in different events to preach the gospel..

Uh,hello,the day of pentecost as recorded in acts.

Why you not go to history and proof that i am wrong. You cant find this teaching before the pentecost movement startet.
Acts 2, 1 is the beginning of the church, the coming of the comforter and every bornagain believer receives him.
Nowhere in church it was taught that every born again christian is speaking in tongues. And specially not as a proof that someone has received the Holy Spirit ore is filled with Him.
Otherwise i wonder that we can find so much false teachings in the pentecostal and charismatic movements. They all are claiming to be filled with the Holy Spirit, but following nonbiblical teachings. This fit not together!

No, I love revelation seven. And I agree with your thoughts. What I see missing is the teaching of the Victorious Saviour over all of the power of the enemy, then the laying on of hands to receive. I do know what you are intimating.

If we are Spirit, no longer flesh, it stands to reason that we all will have a spiritual tongue. (And we are Spirit).

I just heard a new phrase last evening while watching Awaken The Heart, Jennifer and Munday Martin at a meeting in another state, broadcasting on Facebook this weekend. The heavenly identity. Am hearing and seeing this in scripture too, but never heard the phrase before. Sons are awakening now.

Sorry, off topic again,

Because the Christians were being persecuted wolf. But, in persecution faith seems to strengthen. So the baptism of Holy Spirit continues on. Never stopped.

You need your spiritual eyes open. And this unbelief repented of. Why really do you resist? No need to answer to me but you will hear this if you continue on in this.

I recently read that the period between 300’s ad to the 1700’s history of revival was scant because of persecution. But, I didn’t bookmark it and so far haven’t found that page again. Plus my time is limited for searching at the moment.

As far as what’s current happenings, I’m seeing ministries rising fast and revelation truth with signs and wonders exploding on the scenes. Mostly teaching and broadcasting through the ‘net.

The River of Life


Rev 22:1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb.


Rev 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner of fruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations.

Jesus-tree of life. Leaves-sprouts- His image-body.

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:


Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads.


Rev 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Wolf, the church began with Pentecost. All were baptized in Holy Spirit. The apostles made sure if it by the laying on of hands. And Paul said we should not be behind in the gifts. It’s the way....but for some they have gone astray. So the Word is going to say that after believing, the King receives us and places His seal of approval on our spirit man. It’s a forever eternal seal. A good topical study is the word sealed in the OT plus new. One will never doubt. But, Pentecost, the experience came along with this. So we all should expect it and not doubt....because it’s the scriptural way the body of Jesus moves on earth.

Amen.

Simply put, they can't prove you are wrong.

We have no such teaching handed down to us in the Scriptures.

1 Timothy 1-2
Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

Stones, in acts 2,1 the coming of the Holy Spirit at pentecost, no one got the hand layed on. In acts 8, 10 and 19 it had to lay on the hands, because the jews had to be convinced that gentiles and the samaritians are also meant with the Gospel. This was important for the jews. In acts 19 the believers according John the baptist were not born again till they received the Holy Spirit. Also it was important for them to got this from the apostles as autorative witness.
To make out of this an doctrine that everybody who receives the Holy Spirit is speaking in tongues is eisegese, but not what the word of God teaches.
And if you will follow this teaching consequent, than the doctrine with getting the Holy Spirit as an expierience seperatet from the bornagain expierience is an false teaching, because you have for this no biblical example.

The problem for you Wolfwint and the other unbelievers is that Pentecost is alive and well.
All around the world there is tremendous Holy Spirit revival with thousands and thousands of people daily being converted by
the full gospel of salvation and then being baptized by full immersion and also then being baptized in the Holy Spirit (most often
through the laying on of hands) and these people speak out in new tongues.
It happens because they believe.
Then comes the dramatic - the miracles; the healings; lives transformed immediately; addictions taken away.

And yet those who love their dead churches where the power of God by his Holy Spirit is absent have the audacity, the cheek,
to point to the Spirit-filled churches and declare them to be fake.
Oh, how the Apostles truly wrote that in the last days that the truth shall be spoken evil of, and that there would be mockers.