Some truth about speaking in tongues, the Holy Ghost, spiritual gifts and 1 Corinthians 14
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Thank you for your numbering. So far you understand me right. Some points I have to more clarify.
No 4. I dont see a scriptual teaching.
No 5. feel confident is maby not the right description. Is something in me is making me thinking this is not from God. I would say the Holy Spirit in me.
To 6. Yes, the same says, that this teaching is not right.
To 7: Yes, but the right word is: wrong; rather then nesassary.
To 9: the teaching that speaking in tongues is the proof that someone is filled ore baptised with the Holy Spirit divides christianity. You can see also in CC.
And to add, many spiritfilled believers have no difficulties to accept false teachings( f.e. RCC theologie )
I can understand that this is difficult to understand for someone who raised up in pentecostal ore charismatic background. And i dont wright this for to attack someone.
No 4. I dont see a scriptual teaching.
No 5. feel confident is maby not the right description. Is something in me is making me thinking this is not from God. I would say the Holy Spirit in me.
To 6. Yes, the same says, that this teaching is not right.
To 7: Yes, but the right word is: wrong; rather then nesassary.
To 9: the teaching that speaking in tongues is the proof that someone is filled ore baptised with the Holy Spirit divides christianity. You can see also in CC.
And to add, many spiritfilled believers have no difficulties to accept false teachings( f.e. RCC theologie )
I can understand that this is difficult to understand for someone who raised up in pentecostal ore charismatic background. And i dont wright this for to attack someone.
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Paul even says that not all speak in tongues
consistently telling people you must speak in tongues, is in conflict with what he says in Corinthians
I don't understand it. you present scripture which they probably actually know and yet continue to state otherwise
IMO, this is also religion and not freedom. you bind people when you deviate from what is actually written
I'll take it a step further and state that 'fake' tongues are created in this manner as people feel pressured to reassure themselves and their 'teachers' that they too 'have' the Holy Spirit
consistently telling people you must speak in tongues, is in conflict with what he says in Corinthians
I don't understand it. you present scripture which they probably actually know and yet continue to state otherwise
IMO, this is also religion and not freedom. you bind people when you deviate from what is actually written
I'll take it a step further and state that 'fake' tongues are created in this manner as people feel pressured to reassure themselves and their 'teachers' that they too 'have' the Holy Spirit
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I think you meant seeking sign as wonderments .. Seeking something real with God as if God was a man as us and had real substance by which we could play the kingdom of God does come by observation. Who needs faith . Get it now while the supply lasts. …Wondering is not a source of faith.
Wondering could cause a person to fall backward in a hope someone will catch them . And yet for all that they still refuse to belive prophecy in any to include tongues.
Go back to step one the foundation of the doctrine of tongues .It as it is written won't bite.....prophecy heals
Psalm 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
Wondering could cause a person to fall backward in a hope someone will catch them . And yet for all that they still refuse to belive prophecy in any to include tongues.
Go back to step one the foundation of the doctrine of tongues .It as it is written won't bite.....prophecy heals
Psalm 11:3 If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?
LOL Only with my wife. She is a picture of grace that loves hard, a true gift. Both needing prayer .
Don't you ever get tired of not answering. What does the sign of tongues as a law confirm? belief (faith) or unbelief (no faith) ? Can't love both masters.
What is tongues if not one of the manners God brought prophecy, the gospel and applied it to the heart of men,. They believed as a result of that work of God. 3, 000 experienced that work of God in the twinkling of the eye. There was no need to say go find a private interpretation of man .God's interpretation is a perfect law. it gives his understanding to us simple ones among other good works of God. No such thing as a sign gift .Spiritual unseen gifts like the manner of tongues revelations of God called prophecy. All of the same Spirit not the spirit of man .But the very breath of God as two walking together . .
Psalm 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
Don't you ever get tired of not answering. What does the sign of tongues as a law confirm? belief (faith) or unbelief (no faith) ? Can't love both masters.
What is tongues if not one of the manners God brought prophecy, the gospel and applied it to the heart of men,. They believed as a result of that work of God. 3, 000 experienced that work of God in the twinkling of the eye. There was no need to say go find a private interpretation of man .God's interpretation is a perfect law. it gives his understanding to us simple ones among other good works of God. No such thing as a sign gift .Spiritual unseen gifts like the manner of tongues revelations of God called prophecy. All of the same Spirit not the spirit of man .But the very breath of God as two walking together . .
Psalm 19:7 The law of the Lord is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the Lord is sure, making wise the simple.
YOU WERE SHOWN yet, you did not accept it. You were given in the Book Acts account where each person documented 1. speaking in tongues 2. or prophesying being empowered by the Holy Spirit. more than times in Acts it is shown. You did not accept what the Bible shows. You created a false narrative of " show me any of any of the church fathers teaching this doctrine". Only after you admitted their teaching are not authoritative. And hold those outsides of the Book of Acts as needing to teach what is clearly seen in the word of God.
You suggest we have devils, false teaching and now members of RCC and even a cult. Yet you did not provide any scripture to refute the doctrine you say is not in the word of God. Only attacks to discredit those who have had the wonderful experience seen in the word of God and what our Lord Jesus Christ said in Acts 1:8 and Mark 16 and in Matt 28. Then like a baby who asked a parent for something AND DID NOT GET WHAT THEY WANTED " THROWS a tantrum :
"when I became a christian in 1987 i met in the beginning also believers from penteostal church who told me about this baptising and speaking in tongues. And I have asked my father in heaven if this teaching is right, i want have this speaking in tongues, too.
Well, i did not got it "
You suggest we have devils, false teaching and now members of RCC and even a cult. Yet you did not provide any scripture to refute the doctrine you say is not in the word of God. Only attacks to discredit those who have had the wonderful experience seen in the word of God and what our Lord Jesus Christ said in Acts 1:8 and Mark 16 and in Matt 28. Then like a baby who asked a parent for something AND DID NOT GET WHAT THEY WANTED " THROWS a tantrum :
"when I became a christian in 1987 i met in the beginning also believers from penteostal church who told me about this baptising and speaking in tongues. And I have asked my father in heaven if this teaching is right, i want have this speaking in tongues, too.
Well, i did not got it "
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and one of those truths would be that NOT ALL SPEAK IN TONGUES
you are in direct conflict with scripture every single time you say otherwise
you can put x's on everyone's post until the cows come home, but you are in direct conflict with scripture
do you not understand that Paul says differently? do you think you know more or perhaps your church elders know better?
I cannot fathom how someone who professes such knowledge of all things spiritual can insist that what is taught in their church is correct while the Bible is wrong
you really should check that attitude somewhere
high expectations of receiving another little token of your disapproval
and one of those truths would be that NOT ALL SPEAK IN TONGUES
you are in direct conflict with scripture every single time you say otherwise
you can put x's on everyone's post until the cows come home, but you are in direct conflict with scripture
do you not understand that Paul says differently? do you think you know more or perhaps your church elders know better?
I cannot fathom how someone who professes such knowledge of all things spiritual can insist that what is taught in their church is correct while the Bible is wrong
you really should check that attitude somewhere
high expectations of receiving another little token of your disapproval
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No you are.
You are not reading scripture correctly.
All true worshippers speak in tongues as the evidence [sign] of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Paul in Corinthians is teaching the wayward Corinthians about the operation of the voice gifts in a church meeting.
Your church would of course be operating the voice gifts in accord with the teachings of Paul?
Diversity of tongues, followed by an interpretation. And then the gift of prophecy.
You are not reading scripture correctly.
All true worshippers speak in tongues as the evidence [sign] of being baptized in the Holy Spirit.
Paul in Corinthians is teaching the wayward Corinthians about the operation of the voice gifts in a church meeting.
Your church would of course be operating the voice gifts in accord with the teachings of Paul?
Diversity of tongues, followed by an interpretation. And then the gift of prophecy.
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I understand your need to be right
you would have to apologize to alot of people and change how you think and act and that would really upset your little world
you defy scripture and yet have the nerve to talk about 'true worshippers'
dude...Paul was correcting wayward BELIEVERS for all time.
such as yourself
at least now I know why you dismiss what he says about tongues. he never says all Corinthians do not speak in tongues
he says believers and does not distinguish between geological locations, but speaks to ALL
you can take that to your church leaders because they need to see it
