Born Again Speaking in Tongues

I got the impresion that this referred to the body as a whole. One part castng out devils, another speaking with new tongues. The idea of the body consisting of different body parts is Biblical, yes?

Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.
1 CORINTHIANS 13:8‭-‬13 NASB

I know that this is the passage this secessionist stand on, but it in no way implies that the canonization of the Bible is "the perfect". Which is probably better translated when "the completion comes". Which just the very fact that we have to have translations and that there are some translation difficulties is evidence in itself that this passage isn't speak of canonization. Because that fact alone tells us that knowledge is still required. This passage has to be about personal transformation, when we are face to face, and know as we are known. Perfected in Christ seeing Christ in our new perfected and glorified form. Then the tools of ministry that are required will no longer be required but faith, hope, and love will remain, so the rhetorical point is how much more important the three that will remain are that the temporal ministry tools.
We will see in a glass dimly until we reach out final perfection. And these debates among those who sincerely love the Lord are the empirical evidence.

Here is a video clip from the Philippines, a church praying against a tornado. There is power in Jesus name...

I got the impresion that this referred to the body as a whole. One part castng out devils, another speaking with new tongues. The idea of the body consisting of different body parts is Biblical, yes?

Pardon? I am wrong? And the Apostels did not all this?
When do you cast out the last Demons?

I don't know, you seek it less, pray for it less, are more hardened to accepting certain things. I mean maybe they are more draw to other ministries, for God to use in other capacities. There is not a mold God has that we all fit into, this is one of the most amazing things to me is that God is sovereign over all our choices, to me it's incomprehensible, but I wouldn't worship a God that was completely understandable. Having said that, I do have to admit I say that from this side, with opened eyes, before God opened them I couldn't care less about these kinds of things. Jesus told us that people will know us by our love for each other, if I believe different than you, on matters like this, I can share in love how I see it and how God has brought me to understand this, then I sit back and listen to you and how God has walked you to your understandings, you know what? He can use you to grow him a bit, and even maybe him to grow you. Or you go your own way thinking you wasted your time at reflect on the conversation, maybe you were a bit harsh here, or "bing, understand what he meant when he said that now" and God grows you that way. In ALL things He grows us. God is amazing and EVERYTHING is in His hands.

So I'm not trying to really debate you on this issue. I go to a church at affirms these things, I don't practice tongues in this way because #1 I tend to understand them to be a actual language, for people who can't communicate to communicate. How ever I do honestly think there is enough language in the text to leave room for this practice. That aside I believe that if they do it for His glory, if they are doing it in Him then praise the Lord for it. I truly believe this falls under Rom 14:1-12,

1 As for the one who is weak in faith, welcome him, but not to quarrel over opinions. 2 One person believes he may eat anything, while the weak person eats only vegetables. 3 Let not the one who eats despise the one who abstains, and let not the one who abstains pass judgment on the one who eats, for God has welcomed him. 4 Who are you to pass judgment on the servant of another? It is before his own master that he stands or falls. And he will be upheld, for the Lord is able to make him stand.

5 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6 The one who observes the day, observes it in honor of the Lord. The one who eats, eats in honor of the Lord, since he gives thanks to God, while the one who abstains, abstains in honor of the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7 For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. 8 For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord’s. 9 For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.

10 Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother? For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; 11 for it is written,

“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me,
and every tongue shall confess to God.”

12 So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.


So that's how He's has lead me to see it thus far.

All saints die not receiving the sign of His promise a new incorruptible body. (Hebrews 11:39 ) Some try and replace it by adding to that one sign.... with things they perform and then use that to confirm something?

I would think those who seek after signs and wonders have a verse that could defend your idea in respect to tongues one of the many manner of prophecy .This is when God was still adding to it. Revelation remains the last book it contains the 7 seals to make sure those who seek after wonderment cannot blame it on God. . Isaiah 28 a good place to start looking at the doctrine of tongues.

Why is those who are seeking after wonderment, amazement to bring excitement to their hearts rather than a contrite heart avoid looking to the foundation of the law of God's mocking those who mock Him and the expansion and therefore conclusion in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23???? It would seem they avoid looking to the law as if it was a plague?

Non sense of sense according to the word of God? It should be not that hard to confirm either way. Are you receiving new revelations that could be added to the Bible? Need more that he has given .

What do you think the "sign" confirms according to the law??

Can it possibly be that RickyZ had a sincere concern for another person? People do share what they see in the word out of genuine love. But you seem to take anything that you disagree with as a personal affront. And that is sad.

I always wonder how one's belief in the necessity of water baptism is considered legalistic. Water baptism was devised by God and introduced by John the Baptist as a means for the remission of sin for the NT church; it is clearly separate from methods found in the OT law.

And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; Luke 3:3

interesting read. however, some here will complain about the topic as to its frequency, those same types will start one in opposition to this one LOL . I see some oneness doctrine in your thread, are your oneness? It does not matter to me I do not hold the legalistic method of water baptism.

LOL! that is just you sniping at me because I disagree with your POV on baptism and tongues

your ideas need correction, not my post

Ricky does have genuine concern, but you need affirmation which I am not going to give with your extra biblical interpretations

otherwise, we prob do agree on most things. I'm not your enemy and it is telling you take what you see as an opportunity to have a shot at me

the context of my comment "legalistic" was not about water baptism. Are your oneness? If you are then you should why I said that. Oneness hold to " you MUST be baptized in Jesus Name only" to be saved. That is a legalistic method for baptism which I do not agree with.

Pardon? I am wrong? And the Apostels did not all this?
When do you cast out the last Demons?

Why you treat me as an unbeliever? Because I do not Support your view?
Imagine you live in the Year 430 ad. And you Meat People from the montanism movement, which Practice prophecie, forbit Marriage, and said that martyrium directly lead to God, had a high Moral.
Sounds good and right in an wordly christianity as it was found in those Time, too.
But if you Go back to the beginning with the founder Montanus, you found that he was a false Prophet. This was he prophecies became not True and he claimed that the paraklet(Holy Spirit) direct speak through Him. Would you trust then this movement?

Are there scriptures where those administering water baptisms did so without the use of Jesus' name? If so, would you please provide them?

Pardon? I am wrong? And the Apostels did not all this?
When do you cast out the last Demons?

Why you treat me as an unbeliever? Because I do not Support your view?
Imagine you live in the Year 430 ad. And you Meat People from the montanism movement, which Practice prophecie, forbit Marriage, and said that martyrium directly lead to God, had a high Moral.
Sounds good and right in an wordly christianity as it was found in those Time, too.
But if you Go back to the beginning with the founder Montanus, you found that he was a false Prophet. This was he prophecies became not True and he claimed that the paraklet(Holy Spirit) direct speak through Him. Would you trust then this movement?

I can do better Jesus said to "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, " Matthew 28: 19. Are you saying they did not do that when they baptized? was Jesus wrong in His instructions?

I can do better Jesus said to "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, " Matthew 28: 19. Are you saying they did not do that when they baptized? was Jesus wrong in His instructions?

I do not consider you an enemy. My post to you had nothing to do with retaliation because our beliefs differ. Your walk is between you and God. And mine between He and me. So a need for affirmation from you is the furthest thing from my mind. Your comments to others are visible to everyone. And as such, your personal affront is obvious. And whether you accept it or not that is what I find sad.

"Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature."
I am sure the above command has not yet been fulfilled.

I could tell you a story about this, but then you'd just call me a liar