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This is the culmination of the cessationists mind and motives
This post is a dire warning to anyone on this path.
This is garbage. What a pit the cessationist digs out.
The "likes" say volumes.
What an embarrassment before heaven.
Pathetic little humanoids straightening out every little flaw with a baseball bat in a china shop.
Now the bible is not written to the church and the cessationists celebrate it.
Woah.
This post is a dire warning to anyone on this path.
This is garbage. What a pit the cessationist digs out.
The "likes" say volumes.
What an embarrassment before heaven.
Pathetic little humanoids straightening out every little flaw with a baseball bat in a china shop.
Now the bible is not written to the church and the cessationists celebrate it.
Woah.
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well there you go again Waggles
what do you have to say about this?
Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? I Corinthians 12:30
you appear to take one verse and make a doctrine out of it when a student of scripture should know better
all do not speak in tongues. period.
the scripture you quote does not indicate that every single believer will speak in tongues.
call Paul a reprobate then. he must be according to you
what do you have to say about this?
Do all have gifts of healings? Do all speak in tongues? Do all interpret? I Corinthians 12:30
you appear to take one verse and make a doctrine out of it when a student of scripture should know better
all do not speak in tongues. period.
the scripture you quote does not indicate that every single believer will speak in tongues.
call Paul a reprobate then. he must be according to you
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that is what scripture plainly states
waggles and another are creating the exact kind of problem that cessationists point to and object to, along with stating baptism is a part of salvation rather than a witness that you are 'a new person' and that you now stand with Christ
it becomes almost cult like when people enforce their interpretation on people
an interpretation that actually conflicts with scripture
waggles and another are creating the exact kind of problem that cessationists point to and object to, along with stating baptism is a part of salvation rather than a witness that you are 'a new person' and that you now stand with Christ
it becomes almost cult like when people enforce their interpretation on people
an interpretation that actually conflicts with scripture
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The same kind of apostles that are recorded in scripture are the same "sent ones" the Holy Spirit sends today .
We are sent with the word of God prophecy to include the work on the message boards.. where two or three are gathered together under the authority of His name he is there bringing the teaching..
The commandment go out two by two still applies. Many have added new meaning to the world apostle and have destroyed the usage. violating the law of integrity in (Deuteronomy 4).
Abel was a apostle in the truest sense .He is also the first martyr. His blood cries out to this day
The one sign made manifold using different metaphors is being fulfilled as we speak. This is every time a believer comes to faith .All of those metaphors follow every believer. Its simply a sign a person has believed as God has given them his faith working in them to make it even possible to believe in a God not seen . Not outward sign gifts. Spiritual gifts. not seen...…. yes.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
The faithless Jew used to represent unbelief in mankind they required a sign before they would believe. They made Jesus into some sort of circus seal do.. Their god less idea was do something to outwardly ( make a sound) confirm something or we will have nothing to do with Jesus.
It was why God mocked those in unbelief... no faith .The sign of tongues confirms their unbelief (no faith) Not Jesus,
who refuses to be a circus seal.
1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
We are sent with the word of God prophecy to include the work on the message boards.. where two or three are gathered together under the authority of His name he is there bringing the teaching..
The commandment go out two by two still applies. Many have added new meaning to the world apostle and have destroyed the usage. violating the law of integrity in (Deuteronomy 4).
Abel was a apostle in the truest sense .He is also the first martyr. His blood cries out to this day
The one sign made manifold using different metaphors is being fulfilled as we speak. This is every time a believer comes to faith .All of those metaphors follow every believer. Its simply a sign a person has believed as God has given them his faith working in them to make it even possible to believe in a God not seen . Not outward sign gifts. Spiritual gifts. not seen...…. yes.
2 Corinthians 5:7 (For we walk by faith, not by sight
The faithless Jew used to represent unbelief in mankind they required a sign before they would believe. They made Jesus into some sort of circus seal do.. Their god less idea was do something to outwardly ( make a sound) confirm something or we will have nothing to do with Jesus.
It was why God mocked those in unbelief... no faith .The sign of tongues confirms their unbelief (no faith) Not Jesus,
who refuses to be a circus seal.
1 Corinthians 1:22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
John 4:48Then said Jesus unto him, Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe.
John 6:30They said therefore unto him, What sign shewest thou then, that we may see, and believe thee? what dost thou work?
It's what happens when those do not walk by faith according to the prescription in 2 Corinthians 4:18. Hoping in a signs and wonderment or amazement something to excite those dull emotions and call it a gospel. They as it seems need to perform something and use it to confirm what the eyes see the temporal. (snap shot) We don't know God after the temporal rudiments of theis world . Never di never will.
To me it reminds me of Kindergarden "show and tell" . There are no outward as to what the eyse see (the temporal) sign gift. Spiritual gifts not seen yes.
Tongues, God bringing prophecy (the gospel) as one of the manners when he was still adding to His word is a sign of God mocking those who mock his word . Why someone would want to wear that kind of a sign is a mystery?
To me it reminds me of Kindergarden "show and tell" . There are no outward as to what the eyse see (the temporal) sign gift. Spiritual gifts not seen yes.
Tongues, God bringing prophecy (the gospel) as one of the manners when he was still adding to His word is a sign of God mocking those who mock his word . Why someone would want to wear that kind of a sign is a mystery?
As pointed out a number of times the spiritual gifts did not cease because the church is still here.
The Spiritual gifts, provided to man by the Holy Spirit, are for the continuance of the work Jesus did while here on earth:
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:12-17
The Spiritual gifts, provided to man by the Holy Spirit, are for the continuance of the work Jesus did while here on earth:
12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son.
14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you." John 14:12-17
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interesting read. however, some here will complain about the topic as to its frequency, those same types will start one in opposition to this one LOL . I see some oneness doctrine in your thread, are your oneness? It does not matter to me I do not hold the legalistic method of water baptism.
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Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away; if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away. For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes, the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak like a child, think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with childish things. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known. But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.
1 CORINTHIANS 13:8-13 NASB
I know that this is the passage this secessionist stand on, but it in no way implies that the canonization of the Bible is "the perfect". Which is probably better translated when "the completion comes". Which just the very fact that we have to have translations and that there are some translation difficulties is evidence in itself that this passage isn't speak of canonization. Because that fact alone tells us that knowledge is still required. This passage has to be about personal transformation, when we are face to face, and know as we are known. Perfected in Christ seeing Christ in our new perfected and glorified form. Then the tools of ministry that are required will no longer be required but faith, hope, and love will remain, so the rhetorical point is how much more important the three that will remain are that the temporal ministry tools.
We will see in a glass dimly until we reach out final perfection. And these debates among those who sincerely love the Lord are the empirical evidence.
1 CORINTHIANS 13:8-13 NASB
I know that this is the passage this secessionist stand on, but it in no way implies that the canonization of the Bible is "the perfect". Which is probably better translated when "the completion comes". Which just the very fact that we have to have translations and that there are some translation difficulties is evidence in itself that this passage isn't speak of canonization. Because that fact alone tells us that knowledge is still required. This passage has to be about personal transformation, when we are face to face, and know as we are known. Perfected in Christ seeing Christ in our new perfected and glorified form. Then the tools of ministry that are required will no longer be required but faith, hope, and love will remain, so the rhetorical point is how much more important the three that will remain are that the temporal ministry tools.
We will see in a glass dimly until we reach out final perfection. And these debates among those who sincerely love the Lord are the empirical evidence.
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oh please garee
you are taking opportunity to pivot on my post and say nonsense I totally disagree with
and no, I do not want to have this conversation with you again
you are taking opportunity to pivot on my post and say nonsense I totally disagree with
and no, I do not want to have this conversation with you again
I would think those who seek after signs and wonders have a verse that could defend your idea in respect to tongues one of the many manner of prophecy .This is when God was still adding to it. Revelation remains the last book it contains the 7 seals to make sure those who seek after wonderment cannot blame it on God. . Isaiah 28 a good place to start looking at the doctrine of tongues.
Why is those who are seeking after wonderment, amazement to bring excitement to their hearts rather than a contrite heart avoid looking to the foundation of the law of God's mocking those who mock Him and the expansion and therefore conclusion in 1 Corinthians 14:22-23???? It would seem they avoid looking to the law as if it was a plague?
Non sense of sense according to the word of God? It should be not that hard to confirm either way. Are you receiving new revelations that could be added to the Bible? Need more that he has given .
What do you think the "sign" confirms according to the law??
You are correct in your statement that all will live on eternally. However, one's search for and obedience to God's commands found in His word will determine the destiny of each and everyone who has ever lived:
"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3
Paul makes the following comment to Timothy about the purpose of scripture regardless to whom they were written:
"...the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
"Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints." Jude 3
Paul makes the following comment to Timothy about the purpose of scripture regardless to whom they were written:
"...the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.
4 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.
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I always wonder how one's belief in the necessity of water baptism is considered legalistic. Water baptism was devised by God and introduced by John the Baptist as a means for remission of sin for the NT church; it is clearly separate from methods found in the OT law.
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; Luke 3:3
And he came into all the country about Jordan, preaching the baptism of repentance for the remission of sins; Luke 3:3
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Pardon? I am wrong? And the Apostels did not all this?
When do you cast out the last Demons?
Why you treat me as an unbeliever? Because I do not Support your view?
Imagine you live in the Year 430 ad. And you Meat People from the montanism movement, which Practice prophecie, forbit Marriage, and said that martyrium directly lead to God, had a high Moral.
Sounds good and right in an wordly christianity as it was found in those Time, too.
But if you Go back to the beginning with the founder Montanus, you found that he was a false Prophet. This was he prophecies became not True and he claimed that the paraklet(Holy Spirit) direct speak through Him. Would you trust then this movement?
When do you cast out the last Demons?
Why you treat me as an unbeliever? Because I do not Support your view?
Imagine you live in the Year 430 ad. And you Meat People from the montanism movement, which Practice prophecie, forbit Marriage, and said that martyrium directly lead to God, had a high Moral.
Sounds good and right in an wordly christianity as it was found in those Time, too.
But if you Go back to the beginning with the founder Montanus, you found that he was a false Prophet. This was he prophecies became not True and he claimed that the paraklet(Holy Spirit) direct speak through Him. Would you trust then this movement?
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