Not By Works

2nd Samuel 12 thanks.....check it out

HAHAHHAHAHAHHA hilarious my brother from another mother across the pond......if you ever get on this side we need to have a cup of coffee HAHA

i agree. facial expressions and even tone of voice is different.

you can say in real life with a good tone of voice "you're crazy man!!" and its a positive friendly thing between guys. but if you say it with another tone of voice its negative, on the internet you can never tell.

AMEN and I agree........haha.........for sure.

With lots of crema?

I do understand and I get it.

Indeed I am conveying for I have thought Jesus was a push over and thought it’s ok I can keep stumbling over and over but I’ve got to wake up from that stinking thinking.

most of what I’m posting here applies to me mostly, rather people want to apply any of it to them selves I can’t say.

HAHAH maybe SOME whole cream

Any chance you could make me an Irish Coffee?
What about dinner.
Fresh scallops with black pudding to start with.
Alaskan snow crab with a side of fries.
Finished off with black forest gateaux.
Then another Irish coffee to finish with.

Your paying.

Indeed and my opinion being accountable is saying if I don’t get my act together and fly straight I will loose that salvation and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth., for I have forsaken His teachings.

HAHAHHAHAHHA How about a nice big fat juicy Ribeye off of the charcoal grill, a half kilo baked tater, salad and we can do some Irish creme coffee before and after HAHAHHA

and of course I will pay HAHHAHAHAHHAH

OK, fair enough. Let's use this verse...

Romans 6:6- Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

Old man is crucified so that the body of sin might be destroyed. Destroyed is katargeo, which means to deprive of force or power. Therefore the crucifiction of the old man breaks the power of sin. But we must RECKON ourselves dead to sin so that that reality can manifest itself in our walk. (see Romans 6:11)

And also the body of sin is destroyed. Katargeo. Deprived of force and power over us. That is why Paul said sin shall not have dominion over you. And that reality is the result of the Old man being crucified with Christ. (see Romans 6:6)

I don't think I have ever thought that Jesus is a push over but think that he understands when I do sin. Not that I want to.
But when I do he is interceding for me.
That doesn't lead me down the path of its ok to sin.
I hate it when I do and to be honest I carry the guilt when I do.
The reason being is that because I then try to make up for it by being better.
That does not work.

Would you say that in reality you think like I do?
Or do you genuinely think that Jesus was a pushover?

Sounds like a plan.

Yum yum

Part two of my response to you. Part one is 99,751

When you understand this you will understand why the doctrine of "perserverance" of the saints is not true OSAS but the carnal (as in the flesh) approach to OSAS.
So you think it is carnal to believe that Jesus is BOTH the author AND the finisher of our faith? Because that is the main premise in the doctrine of perserverance.

The new man still resides in the body where the sin is ever present, there will always be a propensity for sin in our lives that is just a fact.
Sin is ever present until the parousia, but it need not RULE OVER US. It only rules over us when we let it. (see 1 Corinthians 10:13)

Yes I think I have, for I’ve said to myself why do I sin I hate doing it but it appears I don’t hate it enough to stop doing it from time to time.

it’s probably because I lack the self control to stop it, I’m not lifting my arm high enough to actually knock I’ll lift it up to a point then stop.

That doesn't mean that you see Jesus as a pushover.
Hate is hate.
If you hate it then you are not looking at Jesus as pushover, if so then you would not hate it and want change.

Maybe a child of the Father acting out of character.

Agreed.

It wasn't my statement. It was Budman's. He said we can sin as much as we want and still be saved. This goes against the biblical teaching of the VERY NATURE of Grace. See Titus 2:11-15

Never said they do. You just do not understand the difference between a descriptive statement and a prescriptive statement.

1 John 3:3 is a descriptive statement, not a prescriptive statement.

1 John 3:14 is a descriptive statement, not a prescriptive statement

1 John 2:3 is a descriptive statement, not a prescriptive statement

and the words that I am speaking are almost all descriptive statements, not prescriptive statements

You do not comprehend rightly what I am saying because you interpret my words to be prescriptive, when they are not and are in fact DESCRIPTIVE.

That is where the misunderstanding lies

Which is why He told them TO WATCH AND PRAY lest you fall into temptation

1 Corinthians 10:13- No temptation has overtaken you except such as is common to man; but God is faithful, who will not allow you to be tempted beyond what you are able, but with the temptation will also make the way of escape, that you may be able to bear it.

This statement is very profound in my opinion

Matt 7:23
22Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ 23Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness!’

these folks thought they where saved they did miracles, drove out demons, prophecies, and who would not think they where saved if doing all these things, yet He plainly says depart from me.

looking at this below the lawlessness in my opinion is not doing these things.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23gentleness, and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

So imo it’s important to evaluate our selves daily, continuously if need be. And actually make adjustments accordingly. Rather it’s in sinning or having behavioral issues or what ever.