Why Christians get a bad rap amongst the Jews...(an example)

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Nobody uses blood to make bread. Where did they get that silly idea from. Its made of flour and water and it doesnt rise because they were in a hurry to leave egypt and didnt have time to wait for it to rise.

Its the blood of the lamb thats was placed on the doorposts, that was recorded in the Bible. Not children. Christians actually celebrate passover too!

History.com just writes nonsense. I wouldnt even give it any notice.
Actually it is a true account of the false stories that antisemites drummed up against the Jews. It is well documented.
 
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Well, my point was regarding Europe prior to the turn of the century, where "Jews" did have places where they lived where they were not persecuted.
I do not view history in broad sweeping generalizations.

They were persecuted down through history by both Catholics and Protestants. After the Holocaust they apologized for it. You're being obtuse. They were pushed out of over 100 countries. These are facts that are a matter of history.
 
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I do not anyone claims there were not any atrocities. I think the topic is the jews and the holocost. Which people re starting to be told did not rally happen

Thats a major problem.
I did not read on this thread a person denying the holocaust?

Again this just seems to be another trigger topic, facts do not fit the narrative I guess.
 
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Here we go again :rolleyes: Jews were brutally murdered in the Holocaust, and the subject of the OP is the relationship between the Jews and Christians. I'm not going down this path with you again. It's nonsense.
Umm... the people murdered in the gulags were Christians.
Well at least I am not emotional about it. LOL
 
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A bad rap...

Here is a portion of an article from History.com ...

"With the rise of Christianity, anti-Semitism spread throughout much of Europe. Early Christians vilified Judaism in a bid to gain more converts. They accused Jews of outlandish acts such as “blood libel”—the kidnapping and murder of Christian children to use their blood to make Passover bread. "
https://www.history.com/topics/holocaust/anti-semitism

(did you notice no citations were given for any of these claims?)

There are at least two misrepresentations here, can you name them? Can you give other examples?
I agree with @maxwel History channel is no place to obtain information or facts.
 

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I agree with @maxwel History channel is no place to obtain information or facts.
I hope you realize that I am just using the article to help expose how much the media misrepresents Christians. I'm not about to defend the HC.
 
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Umm... the people murdered in the gulags were Christians.
Well at least I am not emotional about it. LOL
I didn't say Russians weren't killed. Millions have been killed for one reason or another. We're not talking about everyone that has been murdered in history, the subject is the Jews.
 
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I hope you realize that I am just using the article to expose how much of the media misrepresents Christians. I'm not about to defend the HC.
Absolutely, I knew it was an expose.
Somehow though the topic is always one sided.
History does not work like that and certainly never as black and white as most people would like it to be.
Reductionist thinking.... a problem!!
 
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I did not read on this thread a person denying the holocaust?

Again this just seems to be another trigger topic, facts do not fit the narrative I guess.
The topic is the jews and why christians get a bad rap from them

One of the reasons was the extreme antisemetism from Luther which sort of created the holocost aagainst jews.

While talking about this, Someone went off topic and talked about other people beng slaughtered at same time, Which while true, still went off topic. And the reason why no one mentioned these other people also with. The jews, Because once again, The topic is why do jews hate Christians
 
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The topic is the jews and why christians get a bad rap from them

One of the reasons was the extreme antisemetism from Luther which sort of created the holocost aagainst jews.

While talking about this, Someone went off topic and talked about other people beng slaughtered at same time, Which while true, still went off topic. And the reason why no one mentioned these other people also with. The jews, Because once again, The topic is why do jews hate Christians
Thank you for the clarification.:D
 
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We do know that the RC church afflicted the followers of Judaism. Calling them Jews is debatable, some may have been physical descendants of the 12 tribes after the war between the Jews and Rome.

That said, who are the Jews?

(Rom 2:29 but someone is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart by the Spirit and not by the written code. This person's praise is not from people but from God.)

(Rom 9:6-8 is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all those who are descended from Israel are truly Israel

nor are all the children Abraham's true descendants; rather
"through Isaac will your descendants be counted."

This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants
.)

Paul below is stating who are the true Jews:

(Gal 4:28-30 But you, brothers and sisters, are children of the promise like Isaac.

But just as at that time the one born by natural descent persecuted the one born according to the Spirit, so it is now.

But what does the scripture say? "Throw out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the son" of the free woman.)

Jesus states the same thing:

Luke 13:28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves thrown out.)

Peter states they would be cut off from the people:

(Acts 3:23 Every person who does not obey that prophet will be destroyed and thus removed from the people.')

Any person that is practicing Judaism is of the synagogue of satan

(Rev 2:9 'I know the distress you are suffering and your poverty (but you are rich). I also know the slander against you by those who call themselves Jews and really are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.)
 

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We do know that the RC church afflicted the followers of Judaism. Calling them Jews is debatable, some may have been physical descendants of the 12 tribes after the war between the Jews and Rome.

That said, who are the Jews?

(Rom 2:29 but someone is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart by the Spirit and not by the written code. This person's praise is not from people but from God.)

(Rom 9:6-8 is not as though the word of God had failed. For not all those who are descended from Israel are truly Israel

nor are all the children Abraham's true descendants; rather "through Isaac will your descendants be counted."

This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.)

Paul below is stating who are the true Jews:

(Gal 4:28-30 But you, brothers and sisters, are children of the promise like Isaac.

But just as at that time the one born by natural descent persecuted the one born according to the Spirit, so it is now.

But what does the scripture say? "Throw out the slave woman and her son, for the son of the slave woman will not share the inheritance with the son" of the free woman.)

Jesus states the same thing:

Luke 13:28 There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, and all the prophets in the kingdom of God but you yourselves thrown out.)

Peter states they would be cut off from the people:

(Acts 3:23 Every person who does not obey that prophet will be destroyed and thus removed from the people.')

Any person that is practicing Judaism is of the synagogue of satan

(Rev 2:9 'I know the distress you are suffering and your poverty (but you are rich). I also know the slander against you by those who call themselves Jews and really are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.)
That is not the topic. It's more like who are the Christians? The ones who persecute the Jews or not?

I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— (Rom 9:1)
that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. (Rom 9:2)
For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. (Rom 9:3)
They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. (Rom 9:4)
 
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Early Christians were put to death by people who practiced Judaism.

I'm sure there would be some hard feelings for awhile over this.

Do you just say "Its ok, you were just stubborn and stupid, I didn't really want my family and friends around anyway"?

I doubt it. Most likely they will teach very harsh things about those who practice Judaism.


But the world isn't really worried about Judaism. Its Christianity that they don't like. That's why they try to make the Jews out to be the victims in this scenario. Everyone feels sorry for the victims.

Early Christians vilified Judaism in a bid to gain more converts... lol Early Christians were in a war against Judaism for their lives and for their religion. Its still going on...
Very well spoken in my opinion; & not to be rude to the op but who cares what the Jews think about Christian's? Judiasm is out, the kingdom of God in Christ Jesus is in; this is the 21st century! Love the Jews, but it's us or them, concerning judiasm or Christianity! The Old Testament in Christ is the foundation of Christianity, not judiasm.

My bad 😭 not trying to derail the thread but God revealed judiasm to be an apostate religion; and all the church can say that judiasm was the old testament religion. Jesus said everything that was written was about Him, but that is not the case with judiasm.

Paul almost single handedly by the Holy Spirit destroyed judiasm, and put to rest the old way in Adam! Knowing this, now there is no more such a thing as a Jew who are the chosen people of God! In other words the son's of God in Adam (Old covenant Israel) are now the son's of God in Christ Jesus! (New covenant Israel).

Israel brought forth from the Adamic race the righteous line to the Messiah, always through the remnant; when Jesus was born there is no more righteous line! Now, the righteous line only continues forth in Christ Jesus!

This has caused a terrible schism in the church amongst Christian's in winning this battle against the Jews!? Which is: you cannot keep telling the Jews their still the chosen people of God and expect them to radically covert to Christ Jesus as the Messiah!! Who, (the Jews) keep saying their waiting for, as the chosen people of God!!! It's an oxymoron that's been created by the 😈 in the church!

The church in the dark ages and the middle ages and at the time of the Reformation, etc..... Was a different creature then today with all of this imfo at our fingertips. The brutality was probably more needed then most people today could understand; for checks and balances. Jeez O Pete!, The Holy Spirit killed Ananias and Sapphira and they were Jews!

But I digress! Yes there has been much violence and killing between the two. If we of the church as Christian's can not find our way to the truth in these matters, God may have to kill one side or the other amongst us! I have no problem with that, let the Holy Spirit judge what is of God and what isn't! There are to many important things at stake in the hour in which we live!! 🧐🤕
 
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That is not the topic. It's more like who are the Christians? The ones who persecute the Jews or not?
My contention is there are no Jews left according to the definition given in the NT, unless they are in Christ.

I am speaking the truth in Christ—I am not lying; my conscience bears me witness in the Holy Spirit— (Rom 9:1)
that I have great sorrow and unceasing anguish in my heart. (Rom 9:2)
For I could wish that I myself were accursed and cut off from Christ for the sake of my brothers, my kinsmen according to the flesh. (Rom 9:3)
They are Israelites, and to them belong the adoption, the glory, the covenants, the giving of the law, the worship, and the promises. (Rom 9:4)
Not relevant to my post.
 

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Very well spoken in my opinion; & not to be rude to the op but who cares what the Jews think about Christian's? Judiasm is out, the kingdom of God in Christ Jesus is in; this is the 21st century! Love the Jews, but it's us or them, concerning judiasm or Christianity! The Old Testament in Christ is the foundation of Christianity, not judiasm.

My bad 😭 not trying to derail the thread but God revealed judiasm to be an apostate religion; and all the church can say that judiasm was the old testament religion. Jesus said everything that was written was about Him, but that is not the case with judiasm.

Paul almost single handedly by the Holy Spirit destroyed judiasm, and put to rest the old way in Adam! Knowing this, now there is no more such a thing as a Jew who are the chosen people of God! In other words the son's of God in Adam (Old covenant Israel) are now the son's of God in Christ Jesus! (New covenant Israel).

Israel brought forth from the Adamic race the righteous line to the Messiah, always through the remnant; when Jesus was born there is no more righteous line! Now, the righteous line only continues forth in Christ Jesus!

This has caused a terrible schism in the church amongst Christian's in winning this battle against the Jews!? Which is: you cannot keep telling the Jews their still the chosen people of God and expect them to radically covert to Christ Jesus as the Messiah!! Who, (the Jews) keep saying their waiting for, as the chosen people of God!!! It's an oxymoron that's been created by the 😈 in the church!

The church in the dark ages and the middle ages and at the time of the Reformation, etc..... Was a different creature then today with all of this imfo at our fingertips. The brutality was probably more needed then most people today could understand; for checks and balances. Jeez O Pete!, The Holy Spirit killed Ananias and Sapphira and they were Jews!

But I digress! Yes there has been much violence and killing between the two. If we of the church as Christian's can not find our way to the truth in these matters, God may have to kill one side or the other amongst us! I have no problem with that, let the Holy Spirit judge what is of God and what isn't! There are to many important things at stake in the hour in which we live!! 🧐🤕
Thanks for your opinion but the misrepresentation of the Jews is not the topic.
 
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My contention is there are no Jews left according to the definition given in the NT, unless they are in Christ.



Not relevant to my post.
Incorrect. I'll leave it there and respect the OP's intent. Perhaps someone will start a thread off of this one.