Not By Works

We will believe/obey His Word. It's His work within us to bring us to this. Not self.

By your doctrine you prove that you reject the truth while believing and peddling a Catholic twist false gospel.....and your right...we cannot have a good convo because you twist, embellish and deny the word of God while being dishonest and deceptive at the same time.....How can I take a previously banned member serious when you peddle obedience to remain saved and yet you break the rules everytime you post in CC......

VCO,

Is not our God amazing?
He sure is.

Your above testimony has bought a joy to my heart.

Our Father promised to work good in all things.
He did not say they he would make all bad things in us or that we have suffered good but that he would work good in such things.

Romans 8:28-30
28 And we know that all things work together for good to those who love God, to those who are the called according to His purpose. 29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren. 30 Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified.

Most people focus only read V28.
They ask questions like "Well if God really loves me why did this happen, why do I still suffer this and so on, how can he work good in this?

The focus becomes self and not what God is doing to prepare us to be conformed to the image of Jesus.

How could you walk with people if you have not been through it?
You/we can't because we would be no good at all.

I thank God for the nasties of life.
That may sound weird but it's my reality.

I got to the stage that when I went to bed at night I cried myself to sleep asking God to kill me, not to wake up in the morning.

As he worked in me (long process 22 years) I woke up one morning and said to myself "Ok I have woken up and therefore there must be a purpose"

So I prayed "Ok God you ain't killed me in the night, therefore I must have a purpose, what is it and help me accept it and give me the strength to walk in it"

I'm not saying my life is perfect and that I don't struggle but like you he is using me to help others.

I would encourage anyone on here struggles, can't make sense of life, who has hurts of the past that bind you. There is hope.

If you wake up tomorrow there is a purpose.
That purpose is you.
Don't shrink back to the norm you walk in because it what's you know.

The Father wants to work good in the crap in our life, bring healing and break the chains.

To conform us to the image of Jesus to help others.

Do not be frightened, it's easier to hug the comfort blanket of what we are used to than not know what the new comfort blanket God will give us.

If you wake up tomorrow then thank God, ask the purpose and ask him to lead you.
He promised to do that.

I noticed, taking vco testimony, point scoring about reflecting Gods glory by action from
us or action from God only creates distraction from fellowship and sharing.

So saying to almost everything, you deceiver works salvationist etc is just wasted propoganda......
Ever hear of just sharing the work God is actually doing in our lives, is actually more real .......

Will you stop with this banned member already.
Don't you have something a bit better to state?

Let's see, you're accusing me of being a sinner....

Great.

So YOU are so perfect that you could condemn me?

WHO is the fruit inspector here?

Come back when you're perfect and we'll talk.

If the boot fits......see even the above is dishonest.......so let us lay the rubber to the road....you believe obedience keeps you saved....

Were you previously banned for bad behavior.....were you here under the name Fran......?

A simple yes or no will do and prove if you believe what you preach

Remember...OBEDIENCE KEEPS YOU SAVED OR PROVES YOU ARE SAVED BY YOUR OWN DOGMA......!!!

What's YOUR dogma???

Let's hear it.

Well.....No one is perfect, we all fail, sin, and bear bad fruit at times......one thing for sure.....ANY GOOD that we may do is Christ in us and through us by faith.....he gets all the glory....it is the ROOT that produces the fruit on the branches......all we do is bear the fruit.....exactly why Works/fruit bearing does not save or keep saved.....Christ gets all the glory....!!

We are all waiting Fran.....a simple yes or no....

If the boot fits......see even the above is dishonest.......so let us lay the rubber to the road....you believe obedience keeps you saved....

Were you previously banned for bad behavior.....were you here under the name Fran......?

A simple yes or no will do and prove if you believe what you preach

Remember...OBEDIENCE KEEPS YOU SAVED OR PROVES YOU ARE SAVED BY YOUR OWN DOGMA......!

If the boot fits......see even the above is dishonest.......so let us lay the rubber to the road....you believe obedience keeps you saved....

Were you previously banned for bad behavior.....were you here under the name Fran......?

A simple yes or no will do and prove if you believe what you preach

Remember...OBEDIENCE KEEPS YOU SAVED OR PROVES YOU ARE SAVED BY YOUR OWN DOGMA......!!!

SO.... if we DO NOT bear good fruit...it means we have detached from the vine.....

And if we bear bad fruit?

What's bad fruit?

Jesus said a bad tree will bear bad fruit....
A good tree will bear good fruit...
JESUS said this...not me.


We don't have to talk in analogies....it's confusing enough.

Fran

My differ with you is what everyone else is saying. You use the words must, should which makes grace law. It also brings condemnation which the Word states we have none for those who walk in Spirit. If we are Spirit, which Paul declares we are, then as we live, and move...we have our being in Him. We are His and He's give us the Teacher, the Comforter, our companion within and alongside to teach, guide, and even chastise as we grow in grace and knowledge.

This is not legalism. This is truth. Whether we have experience the new birth or the baptism of Spirit and fire...we are His. All on equal footing in Him, but rewards will be individual.

It's not about works that we do. It's always and will be forever His works and we exalt Him for paying this awesome, but so dreadful price He paid that we might live with Father too, forever.

The Cross and the truth draws. Not law. Though that might draw those who are all about the outer look.

Let's define fruit.


Galatians 5:22-25
22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness, self-control. Against such there is no law. 24 And those who are Christ’s have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires. 25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

A believer who at any point who does not manifest the above fruit. Notice at any time and not all the time.

Is that no fruit or bad fruit?

I noticed, taking vco testimony, point scoring about reflecting Gods glory by action from
us or action from God only creates distraction from fellowship and sharing.

So saying to almost everything, you deceiver works salvationist etc is just wasted propoganda......
Ever hear of just sharing the work God is actually doing in our lives, is actually more real .......